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What if money expired?

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Re: What if money expired?

#91
It feels like there's a "Congratulations, you just re-invented the inheritance tax!" joke in here.

But all snark aside, I think this is part in parcel with the general observation that money as a stored good has mostly negative impacts beyond some amount amount proportional to single digit multipliers of median annual income.

Re: What if money expired?

#92

It does, it's called inflation.

So you came to this thread and saw this comment made 18 minutes before yours, with replies to that comment, and just reposted the same irrelevant, dismissive, low-effort comment? Did you think it needed to be said twice? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38294857 On an unrelated note, HN rules forbid me from implying that a commenter has not read the article.

I originally opened the article and didn't and comment until later. Real time messages would solve that.

Re: What if money expired?

#94

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It's remarkable how many problems seemingly come back to Land Value Taxation.

maybe the only real technical problem is "whose is that?"

If nobody is to he found to tax then you can just take the land. Super lax version of use it or loose it

Re: What if money expired?

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> there could be incentives to hoard/save it Yes -- for a while. Not forever. This is a feature, not a bug. Hoarding/saving for short periods of time (relative to human life spans) is a good thing. It helps damp out transients. Hoarding/saving for long periods of time is bad because it discourages people from taking risks by putting resources to productive use.

The idea that people need to be encouraged to consume (consumption being the opposite of saving) I don't think is supported by economic theory.

> consumption being the opposite of saving

No. The opposite of saving is spending. You can spend on capital as well as consumption. Inflation only devalues cash, i.e. money you keep in your mattress. You can avoid inflation by either consuming or investing, both of which help keep the economy humming along.

Re: What if money expired?

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I carry around a piece of hard currency (1901 Silver Dollar) to remind me of what real money is like... it's always been worth about 4 retail gallons of gasoline. I expect that trend to continue for at least another decade. Soft money, tends towards zero, as you said.

I keep 200 Swiss Francs in my drawer, because the last time inflation in that country went above 4% was in the 90s and the last time they had war on their soil was in 1847. Over here this should afford you a month's worth of groceries for up to two people if you're careful with your spending.

200 francs isn’t going to buy you shit in any type of inflationary crisis situation.

Re: What if money expired?

#97

Money is a contract with the state. It expires with the state. Physical paper bills also do wear out. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2023/old...

Soft money is a contract with the state, hard money doesn't expire. A $1 silver dollar coin from 1901 is worth a heck of a lot more than a $1 bill from the same time.

Hard money can expire, sort of.

Hard money is a contract with generalized civilization that only has value so long as civilization continues to organize and complexify our resources. A $1 silver dollar coin still has a lot of objective value because civilization still provides lots of good and useful stuff for us to consume.

Re: What if money expired?

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I carry around a piece of hard currency (1901 Silver Dollar) to remind me of what real money is like... it's always been worth about 4 retail gallons of gasoline. I expect that trend to continue for at least another decade. Soft money, tends towards zero, as you said.

I keep 200 Swiss Francs in my drawer, because the last time inflation in that country went above 4% was in the 90s and the last time they had war on their soil was in 1847. Over here this should afford you a month's worth of groceries for up to two people if you're careful with your spending.

... and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Re: What if money expired?

#99
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Money do expire! There is inflation... I would like similar system for land ownership and buildings. Property taxes at level of 5%. In China land can not be owned, but only leased for 70 years.

Yeah but inflation also affects rich people you see. With this we can have selective inflation but only for proles

Not really. Rich people don't sit on cash. They have their money either in safe staff that has real value so it isn't affected by inflation (like real estate or gold) or some gambles like stock or other stuff.

When rich people use cash it's usually borrowed as needed.

Re: What if money expired?

#100
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Money do expire! There is inflation... I would like similar system for land ownership and buildings. Property taxes at level of 5%. In China land can not be owned, but only leased for 70 years.

> Money do expire! There is inflation... If someone put 1 dollar on the bank in 1900, then what would it be worth now, considering both inflation and interest?

Well it'd still be worth "1 dollar". But that's the problem with talking about the value of a dollar - the typical unit of measurement is the dollar itself.

However, in 1900 you used to be able to buy 70 pounds of potatoes for $1. Now you can buy 1 potato.

So yeah I would say that's pretty expired.

https://historycollection.com/30-things-you-could-buy-for-1-...

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