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What if money expired?

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Re: What if money expired?

#11
That is the digital economy of the future. Tagged credits, some with expirations and other constraints (perhaps geospatial).

It's the only reasonable way to implement something like UBI: give everyone X "food credits" and Y "housing credits" each week. There would still be fraud and "credit laundering" to get around the expirations, but the overall waste would be tiny compared to the legacy finance system.

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#12

An interesting look at theories around "perishable" money. A very interesting concept. Most resources in the world have a lifespan - even an iron bar will eventually rust. However, a dollar is as perpetual as the system itself. On top of that, the entire economic system is designed to reward those who take more and give less - that is how you become rich, and being rich is the highest ideal. However, if money had a l…

Grain is quite stable under the right conditions (dry, cool), which is one of the reasons there can be a futures market for it and sales can happen over the winter and even the spring following a harvest.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the origin of currency began with grain.

Re: What if money expired?

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Uh, our money does already expire. It's called inflation.

There is a difference between inflation, which affects the entire monetary system, and money expiration which affects individual units of currency. In the first case, there is no incentive to use the money any faster, and as long as inflation isn't too high, there could be incentives to hoard/save it. In the second case, each unit has an expiration, and like the game of hot potato, you want it out of your hands quick…

>The "new" dollars would be worth more, so the people at the top of the flow would have more advantages than those at the bottom.

That's happening even now with inflation, even if the mechanism is less obvious.

It's called the Cantillon Effect.

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Money do expire! There is inflation...

I would like similar system for land ownership and buildings. Property taxes at level of 5%. In China land can not be owned, but only leased for 70 years.

Re: What if money expired?

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An interesting look at theories around "perishable" money. A very interesting concept. Most resources in the world have a lifespan - even an iron bar will eventually rust. However, a dollar is as perpetual as the system itself. On top of that, the entire economic system is designed to reward those who take more and give less - that is how you become rich, and being rich is the highest ideal. However, if money had a l…

Call me cynical but I have a strong feeling that the wealthy elite who are already paying an entire cottage industry's worth of six-figure or more finance professionals and lawyers to dodge taxes will find a way to make this work for them too, while it creates an even stronger barrier to entering the truly monied classes from whatever remains of the middle class.

If you want to get money moving in the economy again, we already know how to do that. Tax the shit out of the wealthy in such a way that they can't weasel out of it, and turn that money over to the people, be it through hiring them for public works projects, more and wider spread research grants, Universal Basic Income, or economic stimulus. We have tons of mechanisms to move money "down the hierarchy" as Dr. Peterson would say, but the problem is all of our politicians and media are owned by the very rich, and so taking money from the very rich is not on the table, which is how you do that. So we're left with this entire group of two professionals scratching their heads as to how we solve the problem of "the rich have too much money and the poor don't have enough" without having the rich give the poor money, which rather predictably lands at "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."

I'm not even necessarily arguing pro or con here (though if you're curious, I'm extremely pro) I'm just saying that the rich accumulating too much is doing exactly what economists have always said it will do: it stalls the economy, and it will continue to do that. No amount of thumb on the scale by the rich will change this fundamental fact, and even some of them are saying this. If you totally strip mine the consumer base in the never ending pursuit of number-go-up, eventually you have no one left to sell your products to and then the entire game is over.

Re: What if money expired?

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the number if plays it takes to game this out is making my head creak. my paycheck expires in a week so i have to spend it immediately on food and utilities. i have no job security so i'm always terrified. but everyone has to spend their money asap so job security is increased. however there aren't enough people to service all of the needs because savings would have created a buffer if it existed, but now we have too much demand and way too little supply. so people start stealing and killing from each other and the whole world descends into chaos.

let me go prompt DeathByAi.gg with this scenario.

Re: What if money expired?

#18

An interesting look at theories around "perishable" money. A very interesting concept. Most resources in the world have a lifespan - even an iron bar will eventually rust. However, a dollar is as perpetual as the system itself. On top of that, the entire economic system is designed to reward those who take more and give less - that is how you become rich, and being rich is the highest ideal. However, if money had a l…

It’s just too impractical. As a business I won’t accept expiring money, unless when it’s paid to me it converts into real money. But if that’s the case then everyone will either have their own “business” or be friends with someone with one in order to convert it to real cash. People already easily avoid the restrictions on foodstamps / SNAP by purchasing and reselling for cash. An interesting idea but totally unworkable.
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