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Re: Generative AI could make search harder to trust

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

ryanklee wrote: post #52
pseudosavant wrote: post #12

I wonder if there will be a human information/knowledge equivalent of low-background steel (pre-WWII/nukes). Data from before a certain point won't be 'contaminated' with LLM stuff, but it'll be everywhere after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

People are vastly everestimating how unique this problem of hallucinations is. It seems to me it relies mostly on discounting just how much we've already had to deal with this same problem in humans over the millenia. The problem of proliferation of bad information might be getting worse, but this isn't native to generative AI. The entire informational ecosystem has to deal with this. GPTs compound the issue, but as…

How do we know you are not hallucinating this comment?

Re: Generative AI could make search harder to trust

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

ryanklee wrote: post #52
pseudosavant wrote: post #12

I wonder if there will be a human information/knowledge equivalent of low-background steel (pre-WWII/nukes). Data from before a certain point won't be 'contaminated' with LLM stuff, but it'll be everywhere after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

People are vastly everestimating how unique this problem of hallucinations is. It seems to me it relies mostly on discounting just how much we've already had to deal with this same problem in humans over the millenia. The problem of proliferation of bad information might be getting worse, but this isn't native to generative AI. The entire informational ecosystem has to deal with this. GPTs compound the issue, but as…

Yeah if you think about it, there is no history for example, as all we have in that domain is just someone’s perspective on some events. They may or may not have agenda but that’s beside the point.

That soft data could have never been trusted, rhe information that can be verified (calculations etc.) seems safe from LLM

Re: Generative AI could make search harder to trust

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Post by ChatGTP »

euroderf wrote: post #32
p0w3n3d wrote: post #26

And entropy rises... people thought AI will kill us with machine guns. AI will kill us by making us super stupid...

I have already externalized my to-do lists and other reminder lists to teh interwebz. I can't wait to outsource my faculties for reasoning too.

And it’s only $20 a month and it’s useful !! I’m using it eVerYdAy to save hOuRS!!!

Re: Generative AI could make search harder to trust

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Post by MrVandemar »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #33
pseudosavant wrote: post #12

I wonder if there will be a human information/knowledge equivalent of low-background steel (pre-WWII/nukes). Data from before a certain point won't be 'contaminated' with LLM stuff, but it'll be everywhere after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

Those simple web 1.0 sites made by college professors are a gold-standard in my book. I always enjoy finding them in search results. Although they are becoming increasingly rare.

search.marginalia.nu is a great place to find those sites, and some more interesting stuff besides.

Re: Generative AI could make search harder to trust

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Post by thih9 »

pseudosavant wrote: post #12

I wonder if there will be a human information/knowledge equivalent of low-background steel (pre-WWII/nukes). Data from before a certain point won't be 'contaminated' with LLM stuff, but it'll be everywhere after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

I wonder how we'd test for AI contamination. And would there be attempts to sell a larger data set, one that pretends to be human generated, but instead is padded with some AI content.

Does this mean we'd end up with a finite set of verified human only data?

Would people start going through all kinds of offline archives via AI-gapped means, trying to uncover and document new sources of human input?

Re: Generative AI could make search harder to trust

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Post by Agree2468 »

pseudosavant wrote: post #12

I wonder if there will be a human information/knowledge equivalent of low-background steel (pre-WWII/nukes). Data from before a certain point won't be 'contaminated' with LLM stuff, but it'll be everywhere after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

Right now is best time to buy encyclopedias.

Re: Generative AI could make search harder to trust

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Post by dotnet00 »

pseudosavant wrote: post #12

I wonder if there will be a human information/knowledge equivalent of low-background steel (pre-WWII/nukes). Data from before a certain point won't be 'contaminated' with LLM stuff, but it'll be everywhere after that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

In some ways it already is that way. If I come across an artist I suspect is passing off AI generated stuff as their own (without using the tagging features the site has to indicate as much), an easy test is to just check if they've been posting since before ~2020. If they have, and the style has recognizable similarities, it's clear that it's honestly human made or at most blends characteristics of both together.
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