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Countries have their own everything (laws, regulations, money, taxes etc) given that this is how the world's political power is managed.
Digital tech and information flow spread like if it is a universal something, but that is not how the worlds political power is managed.
At most you might have coalitions of allies that trust each other enough to have a joint info-space. But there isnt much trust even between EU and US, and ultimately its every truly sovereign entity for itself.
This just seems like a logical reaction to unknown supply chain attacks. The DoD has restrictions on acquisition of Chinese hardware, for example. Some HN posters believe that this is a tit-for-tat move regarding the Huawei sales ban, which is hardly comparable, as Huawei hardware cannot be legally distributed or sold by US companies.
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Both actions are perfectly reasonably justified by self-interest, and I don't see them saying it's anything else.
> Both actions are perfectly reasonably justified by self-interest If that's a justification then isn't every kind of hypocrisy justified by self-interest?
The Chinese government is not acting with any sort of denial; these two actions may hold others to standards that they don't follow, but they don't seem to be avoiding that fact.
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Apple doesn't have access to anything remotely to hand over data stored on your phone or in iCould, right? What are they even handing over in subpoenas?
Until very recently, iCloud was not encrypted by default. So in the case of a subpoena, they handed over all your unencrypted iCloud files, chat logs, backups, etc. That's much more difficult due to changes that just happened this year.
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The reciprocity is related to fear of spying In the age of AI and model training, data is more than ever precious The US spying on EU leaders and their industry is perhaps what China is worried about https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie... https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/290615/revealed-m... https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/russia-s...
More pertinent in this case, probably: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-09-15/china-wan... When Xu was apprehended, he had with him an iPhone whose contents he’d faithfully backed up to the cloud, a lapse that allowed FBI investigators to recover all the data from Apple Inc. ... FBI search warrants to Apple and Google had opened up his iCloud and multiple Gmail accounts, and digital forensics experts at t…
Certain Israeli private company can hack through any phone security (at least both ios and android) like its not there, you just need to pay enough. You can be genocidal murderer too, doesnt matter.
Good luck explaining this to nontrivial part of HN crowd who are absolutely uncritical of Apple. I think if google would be doing 100% as they do now but be a chinese company, they would be smeared to hell by the same crowd. At least both are US companies, so some diacussions with some can be had.
I mean, seems fair to have a huge US company with an history of giving most of their data to their government to not be used.
Apple has a history of giving most of their data to the US government? Did you mean to say “Apple has had to follow federal law when handed subpoena requests”?
For example the CLOUD act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
I mean, seems fair to have a huge US company with an history of giving most of their data to their government to not be used.
Can you name some examples?
I'm a Apple fanboy myself and praise their security features. But as a USA company they are not above the law.