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Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons! When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very h…

Why is the US still using the imperial system? I'm not sure if you're aware, but asking why an ethnos/nation hasn't significantly changed their language/culture to appease someone who finds it difficult to grasp comes across as incredibly rude.

I am not asking for me. I never interact with Chinese writing, so it is not my problem, I am asking for them, as I imagine that learning a minimum of 3000 icons would take a lot of time. Computers struggle with Chinese writing (or at least last time I talked with my friend he had this keyboards where they had hundreds of combinations).

I found that believing that a person trying to understand something and asking a respectful question is rude is incredibly rude and ignorant.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Taiwanese here. I have a mixed opinion about this site. Some of them are just weird: - mega → 巨型 (百萬) Really? Do you really want to translate mega to 百萬 (million) in every context? *Edit: every, not any - text → 文本 (文字) Seriously? 文本 is the formal, academic way to say it, even in Taiwan. Have this person never been any academic environment? - through → 通過 (透過) Seriously???

Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons! When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very h…

English is a terribly inconsistent language, btw. If you know others, you realize there's a big gap between pronunciation and the word based on historical reasons. People who learn struggle a lot to communicate effectively due to these inconsistencies. Maybe some of them can't go play with their friends too.

If we used something else instead of english as the Lingua Franca, some say lobjan, maybe we could be more effective. Let's all switch.

I hope the point is clear. It's not all about the most efficient from your perspective but cultural, historical, pragmatic reasons, including that languages and ways of communicating mutate by themselves instead of being pushed top down.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Taiwanese here. I have a mixed opinion about this site. Some of them are just weird: - mega → 巨型 (百萬) Really? Do you really want to translate mega to 百萬 (million) in every context? *Edit: every, not any - text → 文本 (文字) Seriously? 文本 is the formal, academic way to say it, even in Taiwan. Have this person never been any academic environment? - through → 通過 (透過) Seriously???

Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons! When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very h…

Let's instead have the english speaking community switch to a devanagari alphabet based writing system.

It is so much more comprehensive - you never have to fumble about with the right way to pronounce something. Any particular combination of letters has one definitive way to pronounce it - so if you can read a phrase you can also speak it out without any ambiguity.

So much better than the mess english is.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons! When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very h…

A similar reason why US hasn't switched from imperial units, just way bigger. The current system works, replacing it would be a massive multi-decade long change with a lot of opposition. Cultural pride/arrogance plays a big role. It's not inconceivable to think that the Chinese regime might fall in the process if it tried to pull it off. Given all these, the benefits just don't outweigh the costs/risks, at least in t…

Yeah, I imagine it won't be easy. What needs to be assessed is if the gains are worth it.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons! When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very h…

How many words did you memorize in English? All it's inconsistencies like butcher were the pronunciation isn't recognizable from the spelling. Is it read or read? I doubt you can simply map the pronunciation of the chinese spoken languages to the latin alphabet. And that's only the words, you also need grammar and different languages have tenses that don't even exist in other languages. Just compare Hebrew to English…

But memorizing words is relatively easy. Adding to that the drawing is not. I am not saying it is impossible, it is not obviously. My mother language is Spanish, so I also have 26 letters.

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Hot take: we also just memorize icons, they just happen to me made out of 26 symbols. But to read fast, you absolutely do use some high level icon based parsing, IMO

Definitely, but you can read a word you never came across (in a language were the Latin alphabet mapping is actually sane, like Italian or Spanish) by just knowing a few pronunciation rules, that depends on the language. Clearly English is not a good example for this, I know.

The same is true in Mandarin Chinese, to some extent. A native speaker or someone who speaks the language very well can deduce a lot about a word's possible meaning and pronunciation from its component radicals. There are less of them per character than the average English word has letters, but a similar system exists where a Chinese person who comes across a new word in a paragraph will have a lot of context clues to tell them what that word might mean and how it might be pronounced.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Hot take: we also just memorize icons, they just happen to me made out of 26 symbols. But to read fast, you absolutely do use some high level icon based parsing, IMO

Definitely, but you can read a word you never came across (in a language were the Latin alphabet mapping is actually sane, like Italian or Spanish) by just knowing a few pronunciation rules, that depends on the language. Clearly English is not a good example for this, I know.

Exactly. I am a native Spanish speaker, I can attest. :D

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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Honest question, why haven't china moved to a western (?) alphabet based writing? With my ignorant knowledge, it seems crazy that you are using that way of writing today. Using 24 letter combinations vs memorizing 3000 (min) to 20.000 icons! When I was a kid, my best friend was chinese, and we could never do anything on saturdays because he had to go to a school to learn chines, and how to write in chinese was very h…

A similar reason why US hasn't switched from imperial units, just way bigger. The current system works, replacing it would be a massive multi-decade long change with a lot of opposition. Cultural pride/arrogance plays a big role. It's not inconceivable to think that the Chinese regime might fall in the process if it tried to pull it off. Given all these, the benefits just don't outweigh the costs/risks, at least in t…

If you want to write Chinese text on a computer - you still have to use Latin alphabet, because it's not possible to put thousands of characters on a keyboard.

So a different writing system for Chinese has already been developed.

Some other languages also have more than one writing system. (Serbian and Azeri).

When mobile phones became accessible to the general public then many people used Latin alphabet to write in Russian, because SMS didn't support Cyrillic properly.

Vietnamese also didn't use Latin originally.

Re: Has Google Translate been fixed yet?

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To clarify, "Standard Chinese" is the English term to describe the official language of the PRC. There is no country called "mainland," nor is there a country called "mainland China," nor is there a language that can be accurately called "Chinese." It's much more clear in Mandarin itself, such as 官話. Note that some might translate this as "Traditional Chinese," separate from the typical meaning, when trying to separa…

The Mainland is a well established concept when talking about China. "Standard Chinese," "Mandarin Chinese," or however you want to call it (there are several terms in Chinese itself that refer to essentially the same thing) is the official language both on the mainland and in Taiwan. They have slightly different variants, but both standards grew out of the same historical movement to standardize Chinese. Both the Re…

> both on the mainland and in Taiwan

This is an accident of history and a quirk of the English translation. Though the official language in English is described as "Standard Chinese," in Mandarin it's written as 國語, which just means "national language." The National Language described is Taiwanese Mandarin, 華語, which translates in English usually as Mandarin Language. By some measures it's very similar but it's different enough to deserve a different name, and the efforts of Taiwanese people to separate their culture from that of the PRC, and their ROC ancestors that came from the territory of the PRC, is a valid effort and should be acknowledged. Give it another 40 years or so and the languages will be quite distinct, as Taiwanese consciously incorporate more Hokkien, Hakka, and the various indigenous languages into their version of Mandarin to form a unique cultural identity.

> The Mainland is a well established concept when talking about China.

And people will happily, and inaccurately, describe the UK as "Britain" or "England," much to the annoyance of people who prefer to maintain their own unique cultural identity within the UK. In Taiwan this issue is even more critical as the sovereignty of the nation is under attack from many angles, including linguistically and culturally. There is no country on earth called The Mainland, and there is no country on earth called China, and CPC efforts to engage in cultural imperialism by casting a wide net around the concept of China and Chinese, as well as lay claims to historical Chinese imperial territories, and furthermore to imply that Taiwan is a PRC territory by calling the PRC the "mainland" (thus Taiwan as a province or colony), should be actively resisted.

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