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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by jemmyw »

ChoHag wrote: post #70
MrOwnPut wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't give a blank check to do whatever you want without criticism. And if previous actions justify later actions then the US shouldn't have meddled in 2014. Thus "no need" to blame Russia, the US is responsible. In reality, things are much more nuanced than that logic.

No it's very simple. If Russia didn't invade, Russia wouldn't be killing people and blowing up their stuff. Russia's actions are Russia's responsibility, not America's.

Constant surprise how many pro Russian views there are from a mainly American audience on a tech website. I'm anti war, anti the US going into Iraq for example. Therefore I'm on the side of Ukraine here and we should give any support necessary for them to defend themselves. No "provocation" that happened or has been made up or imagined by Russia excuses what they're doing. There are plenty of political reasons I don't necessarily like for the west to support Ukraine, but reasons aside, outcome is aligned.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by jakubadamw »

taacc3 wrote: post #5

Sad how much destruction war brings.

War as an impersonal phenomenon doesn't bring anything inherently, saying so simply blurs individual responsibility. It's up to the belligerents, up to the individual commanders, units and members of armed forces to decide what and whom they target. Targetting a dam by the Russians is a war crime per Art. 56 of the 1977 Additional Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by bonzini »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #81
wiseowise wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm not talking about the 2014 "election" that happened after the Crimea invasion. I'm talking about before all that. The 2014 coup openly supported by US and Europe that overthrew Ukraine's pro-Russian elected President. These things aren't propaganda, they are events that happened. Do you honestly believe that coup was totally organic and the US had no hand in that one (just others)? There is precedent for the US m…

What about Russia trying to kill Yanukovich's opponent (who after the failed poisoning even failed to win, despite confirmed election fraud)? The same Yanukovich that promoted European integration during the 2013-2014 campaign and then reneged on his promises once elected, thus prompting Euromaidan—it was all his doing, no need to involve US and Europe in the supposed "coup".

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by lawn »

sschueller wrote: post #89
lawn wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad how people still believe Russian propaganda, and these claims have been constant throughout the war: - We didn't bomb the civilians, that was Ukraine. - The torture chambers weren't ours, they were found in Ukraine. - Ukraine are nazis (no comments on the Russian white supremacists in the military). - We did not blow up Nord Stream 2, that was Ukraine (or the US). - We did not blow up the dam, that was Ukrai…

It's called "fog of war". If you believe everything Ukraine/US/EU says you are just as much as a fool as if you did believing Russia.

Of course you shouldn't blindly believe everything one side says, but saying that Russia is as trustworthy as the rest of the world (barring a dozen countries at the bottom of the democracy ranking) is just wrong.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by ajuc »

sschueller wrote: post #89
lawn wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad how people still believe Russian propaganda, and these claims have been constant throughout the war: - We didn't bomb the civilians, that was Ukraine. - The torture chambers weren't ours, they were found in Ukraine. - Ukraine are nazis (no comments on the Russian white supremacists in the military). - We did not blow up Nord Stream 2, that was Ukraine (or the US). - We did not blow up the dam, that was Ukrai…

It's called "fog of war". If you believe everything Ukraine/US/EU says you are just as much as a fool as if you did believing Russia.

One said Ukrainians are nazis and satanists and that NATO wants to invade Russia. And that Russia won't invade in 2022.

The other side said Russia wants to invade and that it will invade in 2022.

Believing that when there's 2 sides the truth is always in the middle is foolishness.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by csomar »

dehrmann wrote: post #79
marius321967 wrote: post #68

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> either There are more than two groups who could have done this. The Wagner Group could have done it independently. Ukrainians or Russians could have done it thinking it advances their goals. Who it benefits, hurts, and who could have done it is messy.

You know it could have also been damaged by the war or it needed some maintenance and then it simply blew up open. No one knows who did this but it is really beyond the point now. There is a war going on and pointing fingers only make peace harder to achieve.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by _glsb »

sschueller wrote: post #89
lawn wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad how people still believe Russian propaganda, and these claims have been constant throughout the war: - We didn't bomb the civilians, that was Ukraine. - The torture chambers weren't ours, they were found in Ukraine. - Ukraine are nazis (no comments on the Russian white supremacists in the military). - We did not blow up Nord Stream 2, that was Ukraine (or the US). - We did not blow up the dam, that was Ukrai…

It's called "fog of war". If you believe everything Ukraine/US/EU says you are just as much as a fool as if you did believing Russia.

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by ithkuil »

MrOwnPut wrote: post #81
wiseowise wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm not talking about the 2014 "election" that happened after the Crimea invasion. I'm talking about before all that. The 2014 coup openly supported by US and Europe that overthrew Ukraine's pro-Russian elected President. These things aren't propaganda, they are events that happened. Do you honestly believe that coup was totally organic and the US had no hand in that one (just others)? There is precedent for the US m…

"In November 2013, a series of events started that led to his ousting as president.[10][11][12] Amid economic pressure from Russia,[13] Yanukovych retracted plans to sign an association agreement with the EU, instead choosing to accept a Russian trade deal and loan bailout. This sparked large protests by supporters of European integration, who held a wave of protests dubbed the "Euromaidan" and were met with violent reprisals from authorities. Three months later, the escalating civil unrest led to over 100 deaths[14] and culminated with Yanukovych's flight into exile in Russia.[15] Later that day, Ukrainian parliament voted to remove him from his post and schedule early elections on the grounds that he had withdrawn from his constitutional duties"

So, when people don't like what their government is doing it's only because some external powers are to blame for supporting them?

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