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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by amurmann »

pilif wrote: post #13

It seems like the OS is either defaulting to allowing only only App Store applications or at least only (Apple-)signed applications: http://www.apple.com/macosx/mountain-lion/security.html It's still possible to turn this off, but I have a feeling that we should enjoy our freedom to run GNU grep instead of BSD grep for as long as it lasts.

As a developer and anti-corporatist I think this is a thread to our freedom and will eventually result in the MacAppStore being a giant rip-off for developers. However, as a son of parents who don't understand the difference between their Apple account and their Google account and call him because a webpage tells them that they have a virus and should download some shady program right now, I can appreciate this security measure.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by chairface »

jbrennan wrote: post #58
pilif wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gruber was telling that the Apple ID was going to be free. It isn't. It requires a Mac Developer account as far as I could understand it. When I was 15 I wrote a Taskbar dialer for Windows 9x and later NT (this was in the modem days. Of course I haven't updated it in ages and the only reason my old webpage is still there is because I found it by accident in an old backup, but here is a google search for it: https://w…

>Back then I had no permission to use a computer ("they make you stupid" was my parents argument) and certainly no credit card to pay anybody to do development - and even then, as a minor I would probably never have gotten that certificate. Yes but things change. Old fart or not, you're into technology, we all have to realize things change!

And he's saying that this change is for the worse. He has made substantive arguments, and you have responded with a useless platitude.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ugh »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #73
batista wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malware writers will just get free ids and sign their malware. Will all of these OSX devices be regularly polling Apple to get a list of revoked certs? Yes, the first problem will be to create some malware from OS X first. You know, the biggest success so far had been that Mac Defender, that was: a) a trojan (you had to install it yourself) and b) only affected like 10 users

If malware on OSX is as small a problem as you're suggesting, why is Apple bothering with any of this? Is it to wrestle further control of the app eco-system on OSX? Or is it just security theatre? Or both? Something else? The current app eco-system doesn't allow them to just switch off the ability for people to install arbitrary apps. They need to get themselves into a situation where the vast majority of apps are s…

They don’t want to be forced to play catch up like Microsoft had to. It’s not that hard to figure out.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by edu »

sjwright wrote: post #43
edu wrote: post #15

I hope it'll be a free update.

I hope it'll be $29, because that's near enough to free, and I like the idea that Apple has a financial incentive to continue supporting their existing customers.

Then I will keep using Lion in hope they release a real OS X update sometime in the future for which I would pay play gladly as I've been doing with all the previous updated, because right now Mountain Lion is just a bunch of iOS Apps ported to OS X.

I'm sorry, but IMO the value of this update is $0.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

#95

Post by taylorbuley »

ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

It took me a while to get used to Lion's reverse scroll, which in retrospect seems like a layup for this release, but I've come to enjoy it.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by orionlogic »

pwthornton wrote: post #85

The thing I'm by far the most excited about is AirPlay Mirroring. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be able to mirror anything from my Mac to my TV using an Apple TV. This will be great for watching Internet videos, going through my iPhoto library with my wife, looking at home videos, etc. All without needing a stupid cable from my couch to my TV. The deeper iCloud integration is also intriguing. I assume this mean…

I am excited as well in AirPlay Mirroring so i watched several times in the demo. It seems video plays with Quicktime. So lot's of video formats are not compatible like mkv's, iso's etc...

If somehow i am able to mirror VLC i will run and buy Apple TV at once.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by pwthornton »

pilif wrote: post #41
st3fan wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read what Gruber writes about that Gatekeep feature: My favorite Mountain Lion feature, though, is one that hardly even has a visible interface. Apple is calling it “Gatekeeper”. It’s a system whereby developers can sign up for free-of-charge Apple developer IDs which they can then use to cryptographically sign their applications. If an app is found to be malware, Apple can revoke that developer’s certificate, render…

Gruber was telling that the Apple ID was going to be free. It isn't. It requires a Mac Developer account as far as I could understand it. When I was 15 I wrote a Taskbar dialer for Windows 9x and later NT (this was in the modem days. Of course I haven't updated it in ages and the only reason my old webpage is still there is because I found it by accident in an old backup, but here is a google search for it: https://w…

$100 does not stop anyone from realizing their dreams. Teenagers know how to make extra cash. $100 is less than 2 days work at a minimum wage job.

I would much rather have teenagers work to be able to pay $100 to distribute signed applications than make it free for anyone (malware makers) to distribute signed apps.

The trade off isn't even close here. It's free to develop the app, and even distribute it outside of the app store. If you want to go into the app store, you'll need $100, which helps keep software more secure for millions of people.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by edu »

RKearney wrote: post #45
edu wrote: post #15

I hope it'll be a free update.

You mean like how every other update was free? It will cost $29

Yes, with the difference that the other OS X updates were not just a bunch of iOS Apps ported to the Mac, that why I paid for them and that's why if Mountain Lion is release with a price tag over $0 I'll keep using Lion (and hopefully this will incentivize Apple to make a real OS X update somewhere in 2013-2014).

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ed209 »

ori_b wrote: post #65

" OS X Mountain Lion arrives this summer. With all-new features inspired by iPad, the Mac just keeps getting better and better. " Am I the only person that doesn't want an ipad on the desktop?

Since os 8.something I've always felt that my mac is a workhorse. It's like I've had to have a mac, I a professional designer damnit.

But this update feels like it's creeping towards a heavily consumer facing product. My workhorse is being swapped for a show pony...

(no doubt it'll still do the job, it just a totally unfounded feeling I have)

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

pwthornton wrote: post #85

The thing I'm by far the most excited about is AirPlay Mirroring. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be able to mirror anything from my Mac to my TV using an Apple TV. This will be great for watching Internet videos, going through my iPhoto library with my wife, looking at home videos, etc. All without needing a stupid cable from my couch to my TV. The deeper iCloud integration is also intriguing. I assume this mean…

And that's the point the Apple TV goes from a hobby to a major product.

Spending a £1000 on a Mac - I reckon another £100 for an Apple TV with that functionality as the hook is a pretty easy up sell.

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