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I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#91
post #82

What are the advantages of ATProto over ActivityPub? I don't get it, if you want to make a decentralized social network why not go with the standardized, working, protocol? What does ATProto offer over ActivityPub?

Character limits for one thing. "text": { "type": "string", "maxLength": 3000, "maxGraphemes": 300 } https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-feed#appbskyfeedpost

How is that a benefit over ActivityPub? Hard-coding a post size limit in the protocol seems like a negative thing to me?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#92
post #32

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People seem to be generally anti-social-media and, furthermore, anti-social-media-magnate. I'm a fan of publishing. I think any-to-any publishing is one of the most important applications of the internet.

Agreed. The most important property of any-to-any publishing is not to (algorithmically or otherwise) turn any-to-any into some-to-many by creating celebrities and boosting the same content to everyone. I think this is something TikTok (for all their issues) probably got more right than others. There’s a lot further to go before we perfect this, but Nostr, Bluesky, et al. are doing at least something right.

People prefer to receive information that other people get (ie from popular people and large outlets), so algorithmic prioritization of existing popular brands/people is literally just giving (most) readers what they want.

Sites that do this will outcompete sites that do not.

Decentralized systems do provide an escape hatch, however, so that's good and useful for the minority of users that seek out niches or deep cuts.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#93
post #89

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You can just not click on Bluesky links, no one is forcing you to read articles you aren’t interested in.

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> The fact that they even take up visual space is an annoyance

Yes, we all have things other HN users are interested in that we aren’t. That’s a consequence of participating in a community, as distinct from a hivemind.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#94
post #46

Given that Bluesky makes it this easy to download data, it's quite alarming that the graph of who blocks & mutes who is fully public and easy to extract into a database: https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-graph#appbskygraphgetb... On Twitter, blocking a toxic user does not notify them - while they can query the block status of one profile at a time, they can never get a full list of people who block them. But it w…

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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#95
post #67

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It's a tough line to walk. On one hand, if you participate in a system where almost everything is inherently public (the web/internet, since anyone can screenshot anything and publish wherever they want), it's hardly unexpected that information that was once public, can remain public forever. On the other hand, people have some sort of expectation that the data they publicly post online to remain in some sort of semi…

There's a vast difference between "public" and "actively surfaced." Indeed, blocking someone on Twitter would not prevent them from finding your public profile in an incognito window and seeing your posts - it would simply prevent your posts from being easily and automatically accessible to them in their feed. In practice, this tends to reduce conflict. My concern with Bluesky is that it makes it very possible for to…

I think that anyone can see who-blocked-who is the bigger issue, because that's usually not discoverable and allows a) a lot more large-scale analysis and b) when it comes to "celebrities" of various kinds, their "fanbase" is quite likely a bigger source of harassment etc overall.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#96

I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…

TBH I haven't paid much attention to it, but as somebody who was already using Mastodon as their primary social network for years before Musk took over, I'm not sure I understand what niche BlueSky is even supposed to fill that ActivityPub/Fediverse doesn't already fill. It just seems like a bunch of guys who got ousted from their jobs trying to invent a new commercial social network. And one of the things that needs…

I'm especially interested in what their new protocol offers that ActivityPub doesn't. There are more protocols than just ActivityPub, like Zot6 which focuses a lot more on nomadic identity than ActivityPub does. I'd love to know what it is that makes BlueSky's protocol better and therefore worth adding. Because if it doesn't do anything that other protocols already do, then what's the point?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#97

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Did you sign an invite code using the key in their bio? That's so neat! I'm not sure if you have more, but I'm also on the waitlist (bluesky@owen.sh) and would love to check it out.

Yes! And no, last one :(

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#98
post #4

The fact that someone can download all posts on a social network tells you how little usage it has attracted.

You can download all of the (public) posts and comments on Reddit. It's a ~2TB torrent.

hmm... that makes it larger than RedPajama, a dataset of 1.2 trillion tokens

how much of reddit is being used for AI? it looks like there's plenty of text in there; maybe we just need to parse the reddit with GPT to filter out the good parts, and got a great dataset

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#99
post #28

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All invite-only early-access things that get hot are like it; once they go to general availability they go to shit, it seems.

There was a post here about a year ago that summarizes this pretty well[1]; I've honestly gone back to read it a few times for my own projects as it offers some good perspective and framing. > My take is, if a community is constrained by quality (eg moderation, self-selecting invite-only etc) then the only way it grows is by lowering the threshold. Inevitably that means lower quality content. To some extent, more peo…

Reminds me of the September problem in usenet.

My attempt at a solution is to keep it in request-access beta and do targeted advertising only at people who share interests with high-quality subset(s) of discussion on the site, so the new users usually see and can learn what high quality discussion looks like on the site even if all areas aren't mature.

As the site matures you can naturally let more people in until a quite open beta, then full release trying to never take on more than say 10% of the daily active users in any given section/hashtag-cloud per year.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

#100
post #89

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> The fact that they even take up visual space is an annoyance Yes, we all have things other HN users are interested in that we aren’t. That’s a consequence of participating in a community, as distinct from a hivemind.

Most links on HN don't interest me, and they don't bother me either, but the shilling for Bluesky has been quite apparent lately. If anything, their presence is more indicative of a hivemind than my eagerness for them to go away.

Your proposal that I must want every link on HN to be something I am interested in is obviously a bad faith argument. Later.

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