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Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by creatonez »

silisili wrote: post #53
crummy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia says 'In English, the word "milk" has been used to refer to "milk-like plant juices" since 1200 CE' so I think that boat sailed a long time ago.

I'm not against that definition, but neither soybeans nor almonds produce any 'milk-like plant juices.'

Here's a macronutrient comparison:

1 cup of dairy milk:

    Calories: 149
    Protein: 8 grams
    Fat: 8 grams
    Carbohydrates: 12 grams
    Fiber: 0 grams
    Sugar: 12 grams
1 cup of Almond Milk:

    Calories: 40
    Protein: 1 gram
    Fat: 3 grams
    Carbohydrates: 2 grams
    Fiber: 1 gram
    Sugar: 0 grams
1 cup of soy milk:

    Calories: 100
    Protein: 7 grams
    Fat: 4 grams
    Carbohydrates: 8 grams
    Fiber: 1 gram
    Sugar: 6 grams
Soy milk is not too far off. Almond milk seems to be more diluted and has no simple sugars, so it might be the outlier here. Still has a decent amount of fat, more than I expected, but half as much isn't going to satisfy some people.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by unmole »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #45
vineyardmike wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But fake “milk” is used basically as a drop in replacement for milk. For example, I take “oat milk” in my coffee every morning. Realistically, most would never have tried it if it was “liquid oat product for coffee” (since you presumably can’t call it “creamer” even though that also contains no dairy). This edict is also totality ignoring that “soy milk” is quite old and has long retained that name to minimal confusi…

That's exactly what I mean by "come up with their own names" - "liquid oat product for coffee" sounds terrible. The least you can expect is for them to come up with a good name. The Indian cuisine has come up with their own vegan and vegetarian food for 2000 years, it's delicious, and they don't need to call it "vegan sausages." The problem I have with all these products (as a frequent consumer) is that you never kno…

> The Indian cuisine has come up with their own vegan

Veganism is virtually unheard of in India. We love our milk.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by jules-jules »

echelon wrote: post #29
anigbrowl wrote: post #8

“Aubrey, no!” screamed one TikToker, narrating the Wood Milk campaign video. “Why on earth are you getting in bed with ‘Got Milk?’ Nobody likes milk—like, literally nobody.” Oh the bovinity There's some OK analysis further in, though I think they overlook the impact of demographic changes, lactose intolerance, and some other factors. The main problem for US milk providers is that most milk sold in the US is not very…

Cow milk is a battleground topic for global warming and climate change. Gen Z has been encouraged to ditch milk to cut back on industrial cattle farming and methane emissions. They're also told that farming cattle is inhumane. The milk alternatives (almond, etc.) have been framing it this way commercially, but there is also a lot of grassroots campaigning.

No need to beat around the bush. Dairy/cattle farming contributes to climate change and is inhumane.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by edanm »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #61
zuminator wrote: post #59

Just going by the numbers cited in the article, milk is almost 6 times as popular in the US as milk alternatives. Let's round "almost 6" down to 5. That would mean milk has 5/6 of the milk-like market. It further goes on to claim that milk consumption is down by 20% among Gen-Z compared to the average. 20% less is 80% or 4/5. So milk's popularity with Gen-Z is 4/5 of 5/6 which equals 2/3. In other words, milk is stil…

“Big Milk” and “Big Dairy” should be enough to tell you everything you need to know about the blogger that wrote this “article”.

Should it? "Big [X]" is a fairly common pattern of speech nowadays, to the point that I don't think it necessarily has negative connotations. Or rather, it has negative connotations about the [X], but shouldn't give you negative connotations about the person using the phrase, since almost everyone uses that phrase.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by edanm »

vultour wrote: post #28
Raed667 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 65% of adults worldwide are affected by lactose malabsorption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

That doesn't stop many of them from drinking it though, not everyone is deathly allergic.

It's actually not an allergy, fyi.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by felurx »

brap wrote: post #2

Almost every single person drinks cow milk, get over it

Aside from that just being plain wrong, depending on who you include in "every single person": And that's a problem. Milk production causes lots of GHG emissions and is generally quite resource-intensive. (And also quite cruel for the most part, but apparently that argument doesn't count for many.) We would do well as a species to reduce our milk consumption.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by red-iron-pine »

knorker wrote: post #65
echelon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cow milk is a battleground topic for global warming and climate change. Gen Z has been encouraged to ditch milk to cut back on industrial cattle farming and methane emissions. They're also told that farming cattle is inhumane. The milk alternatives (almond, etc.) have been framing it this way commercially, but there is also a lot of grassroots campaigning.

Pushing anything almond "for the environment" seems like it's a slap in the face of California, to me.

I think this poster's point is that almond milk uses an insane amount of water relative to what it produces -- a problem for a region having notable shortages of water.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by red-iron-pine »

zuminator wrote: post #59

Just going by the numbers cited in the article, milk is almost 6 times as popular in the US as milk alternatives. Let's round "almost 6" down to 5. That would mean milk has 5/6 of the milk-like market. It further goes on to claim that milk consumption is down by 20% among Gen-Z compared to the average. 20% less is 80% or 4/5. So milk's popularity with Gen-Z is 4/5 of 5/6 which equals 2/3. In other words, milk is stil…

A 20% shift in sales is enormous. Orgs I've worked for rejoiced over 1-2% increases in sales.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by red-iron-pine »

OJFord wrote: post #84
vineyardmike wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok so you joke but there’s a product I discovered recently called Maple Butter or Maple cream and it’s amazing and based on the syrup.

I wasn't joking, they are the milk of their respective trees.

More like the blood of the respective trees.

Re: Aubrey Plaza Is the Unfortunate New Face of the Milk Wars

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Post by gilbetron »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #83
fwlr wrote: post #76

The “you can’t call it milk” argument was funny when the alternative being offered was “nut juice”, but it’s a dumb hill to die on as a serious proposition. I’m a barista and these alternatives resemble milk, they behave very similarly to milk, etc. In my opinion the substitution is good enough that they can claim the name of milk; the major difference is in nutrition value and taste. (Some intuition pumps for my poi…

Is zero alcohol beer actually beer?

Guinness Zero tastes almost identical to regular Guinness - I'd definitely consider it beer.
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