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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by SquareWheel »

lightbendover wrote: post #23
roenxi wrote: post #6

1) "It will reportedly be known as Project ‘Magi’ and is said to provide a far more personalized experience than the company’s current service." That is super creepy. Google knows a lot about you, and now it is using that knowledge to really put you in a filter bubble. Imagine this plus engagement metrics. 2) So much for that monopoly a lot of people thought Google had. Turns out they're still as exposed to market pr…

The last thing anyone should ever want from a search engine is different results from the next person over.

That might be true in concept, but I don't think it's true in reality. When people search for something online, they want the first result to be whatever they had in mind. If I search for Python, I want the homepage for the programming language. When somebody else searches for Python, they might be looking to learn about the animal.

You could argue that we should just ask for exactly what we want, but that puts more work on the user and reduces the effectiveness of the tool. I don't want to type more than "python", I just want the link!

Search engines provide very little personalization even today. I'm almost surprised a competitor hasn't popped up with a product that tries to fill that niche.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by pjmlp »

Zigurd wrote: post #30
nailer wrote: post #8

Edit: looks like I'm wrong, see IceWreck's reply below. Original comment: my understanding is that this means Google will deny their customers access to Google Play, Photos and other first party Google apps. Samsung has replacements for some of these but not all of them.

Android's early commercialization actively encouraged OEMs to "customize" Android for at least two reasons: Android product maturity was questionable, and what else are phone OEM product managers going to do? Now that "Google experience" is generally cleaner and better than OEMs' customizations, Google is struggling to put the toothpaste back in the tube. It is very damaging to Android as a product because OEMs are s…

Pixels hardly get much more updates, despite Google.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by sebstefan »

seydor wrote: post #42
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

google still owns android

What could they possibly do with that that doesn't violate an anti-trust law?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by HelloNurse »

lightbendover wrote: post #23
roenxi wrote: post #6

1) "It will reportedly be known as Project ‘Magi’ and is said to provide a far more personalized experience than the company’s current service." That is super creepy. Google knows a lot about you, and now it is using that knowledge to really put you in a filter bubble. Imagine this plus engagement metrics. 2) So much for that monopoly a lot of people thought Google had. Turns out they're still as exposed to market pr…

The last thing anyone should ever want from a search engine is different results from the next person over.

Not "anyone": only mature searchers that worry about privacy, filter bubbles and artificially buried/censored good results.

Advertisement buyers, on the other hand, benefit greatly from carefully controlling who sees their ads. For example, child care related products for female teenagers that are one year too old for their school class, or lawyers for young adult males from bad neighborhoods; I'm sure everyone can think of something more creepy and offensive.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by that_guy_iain »

pjmlp wrote: post #76
gaogao wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

Laptops are desktops. In regards to ChromeOS, it hardly matters outside the US school system and Googleplex.

For me, one of the things that has stopped me from even trying ChromeOS is that is/meant to be 100% cloud which means no local storage and since I code for a living having things locally is a must for me.

It makes 100% sense in Schools and other places where you want to be able to reset the OS constantly and stop people from breaking it. I think for facebook machine's it would do well too but again I think alot of people will want to have local storage.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by [deleted] »

Tactician_mark wrote: post #35
pelagicAustral wrote: post #11

I've been using Bing for a few weeks now it is not all the way there yet but so far the experience is more gratifying than Google. The results seem to be better and there is less ads on top the search results. Their AI integration is also well accomplished. No complains there...

I'd use Bing's chat feature if it wasn't only available on Edge... I can't seem to get any Chromium browsers working well on my Fedora install. I already want to use Microsoft's search engine, why do they need me to use their browser too?

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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by judge2020 »

DrThunder wrote: post #75
gaogao wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

By desktop app they don't mean an app that runs on desktop computers only. They mean an app that runs locally and not web-based. Office 365 desktop vs Office 365 web portal. Google doesn't offer anything but web based.

I'm not sure that would have changed anything, though. Their main loss is that ChromeOS isn't marketed as 'business-oriented' but that's probably because you can't market it to businesses when tons of legacy software doesn't run, and accountants still tend to prefer Excel over sheets (in my experience). But when businesses do use GWorkspace products, it's not an issue that it all happens within the browser.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by shadowgovt »

ant6n wrote: post #74
gaogao wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see ChromeOS and Google Office as falling flat in that regard? Desktops are pretty smaller in market size compared to laptops these days.

Desktop = Laptop

God, I wish that were true.

Ask me how many times I've effed up the battery and sleep configuration upgrading Linux on a desktop vs a laptop.

Relative to desktops, laptops tend to be quirky little things because the heavy constraints of form factor, power, and weight result in engineering trade-offs and outright hacks that aren't necessary in the desktop ecosystem.

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