Surviving Burnout (2015)
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The good old fashioned Job Resources / Job Demands 2x2 strikes again. - Low resources * low demands = low motivation + average stress. You don't really give a shit about the job, but it's also not taking a lot out of you either. - High resources * low demands = high motivation + low stress. The dream! - High resources * high demands = high motivation + average stress. You've got a lot on your plate - but you also fee…
> High resources * low demands = high motivation + low stress. The dream! I disagree with that. High resources * high demands is the dream for many people including myself. Low demands -> low motivation, at least for most people. Having a stress free job with low motivation for a long time can even lead to burnout!
The people I know who wish to focus their life around their hobbies or kids want to stay away from high demand jobs even if they were to have high resources.
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#94Throwaway Ive been on leave from work due to severe burnout and even just reading this caused me to feel panic. It's this weird feeling where the back of my throat feels like it's closing, my head begins throbbing and my heart races. I know how seriously burnout can affect your life and I'm really glad the author found a way out. We need better options for dealing with burnout because having medical insurance tied to…
> because having medical insurance tied to work is obviously suboptimal. That is a solved problem in many countries. When the US grows up from its individual first, frontier moxie, pissing context it could have it too.
IMHO, this is not what is wrong with the system in the US. The problem is that the consumer of healthcare is doubly removed from the price.
First by the insurance company using the doctors. Second by one's workplace paying for the insurance. Is it any wonder that prices keep going up under such a scheme?
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#95I have recently progressed out of a burnout state, which started just before covid hit and continued until early this year. I was lucky enough to be able to take all of last year off from work to focus on my mental and physical health. It is probably dependant on people (and ofcourse their situation), but when I see someone talking about overcoming burnout by taking a month off I can't help wonder if they are dilutin…
The vast majority of people cannot afford to take such extended period of time off simply due to financial barriers.
Wondering if people are _actually_ burnt out simply because they have access to much less money than you is a rather arrogant viewpoint. Poor people get sick too.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Burnout is just the moment whe you stop fruitlessly caring. To me it was the moment I started breaking down in tears when getting to the subway station down my street, on my way to work. Every day. The next time was when I could not speak about my job and the project I was working on without stammering and my mind going blank (and still couldn’t for months after quitting). “Frustrated" and "stop to fruitlessly care…
This might be asking too much on a public forum, but would you be able to describe what differentiates these two for you? Feel free to decline if it's too personal or you just don't feel like it.
Burn out, on the other hand, brought me dread, anxiety, exhaustion, and the feeling of being trapped in a pointless but never-ending cycle.
If I were to dive into more details, depression gave me a rock-solid certainty that I could never be happy, or meaningfully enjoy life in any meaningful way.
There might have been some joyous and light-hearted moments in the past, and perhaps the future held some in store for me. I could smile if prompted or expected to. But these moments always were and always would be the accidents. And so was any past or present progress. Insignificant.
I knew that no matter what I would always revert to my norm: apathy and a deep-seated, always present, lingering painful despair. All while somehow remaining alive, without understanding why or how. Going to bed each day, half hoping that this time there will not be a tomorrow.
It also totally crushed any sense of self-worth I had until then.
The kicker being that this certainty and the blindness to anything positive that comes with it enabled a wonderful feedback loop.
Burning out mostly involved permanent and crippling stress and anxiety, accompanied by a permanent doubt on the usefulness of anything I did.
Anything merely evoking work, such as catching a glimpse of my IDE’s icon, evoked fear.
Nothing felt straightforward anymore. Everything required focus and attention, all the while stressed and anxious. Every task felt like it would be complex and difficult. Before I even started.
Simple things became difficult. Average things became exhausting. Difficult things? Insurmountable.
Anything less than absolutely straightforward made me feel as lost as a junior on his first day, unable to even figure out where to start. Except I knew had done these things before, harder ones even, and this had been my codebase for nearly a year.
Each day felt like pointlessly climbing a mountain, for no reason, good or otherwise. Each day was too short for me to get everything done. And yet too long. All while knowing that the next day would only be worse. With no end in sight.
No break ever was long enough. And each break’s end came with the slowly intensifying dread that came from knowing I was going back to that. And yet each break was always too long. There just was too much to do. All of it urgent, important, critical. Most of it pointless because, although finished, ultimately never released.
Needless to say my sense of professional worth was in shambles, and I often joked about changing careers and moving to the countryside to grow dandelions.
> Feel free to decline if it's too personal or you just don't feel like it.
I have to admit I hesitated. So thank you for your thoughtfulness.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
> High resources * low demands = high motivation + low stress. The dream! I disagree with that. High resources * high demands is the dream for many people including myself. Low demands -> low motivation, at least for most people. Having a stress free job with low motivation for a long time can even lead to burnout!
High resources * high demands is probably only the dream of single young newgrads or people without family or other such obligations and want to focus on climbing the ladder and "making it" in the industry. The people I know who wish to focus their life around their hobbies or kids want to stay away from high demand jobs even if they were to have high resources.
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#98I have recently progressed out of a burnout state, which started just before covid hit and continued until early this year. I was lucky enough to be able to take all of last year off from work to focus on my mental and physical health. It is probably dependant on people (and ofcourse their situation), but when I see someone talking about overcoming burnout by taking a month off I can't help wonder if they are dilutin…
Unfortunately money doesn't grow on trees and working in high paying industries - like tech - can warp your sense of reality. The vast majority of people cannot afford to take such extended period of time off simply due to financial barriers. Wondering if people are _actually_ burnt out simply because they have access to much less money than you is a rather arrogant viewpoint. Poor people get sick too.
However you misunderstood where I was coming from. I point out I was lucky enough to be able to take time off to focus on my health, and hint that that is sadly not something everyone can do.
I was able to do this not because of being employed in a high paying tech job, but because of strong union negotiated benefits.
I live in a European country with a sane perspective on work life balance and a strong social safety net.
I will also add that what was written questioned the public statements of individuals that write about dealing with burnout in a single month, not that the very probable situation where individuals have burnout and only have the ability to take a single month off exist.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately money doesn't grow on trees and working in high paying industries - like tech - can warp your sense of reality. The vast majority of people cannot afford to take such extended period of time off simply due to financial barriers. Wondering if people are _actually_ burnt out simply because they have access to much less money than you is a rather arrogant viewpoint. Poor people get sick too.
I agree with everything you wrote. However you misunderstood where I was coming from. I point out I was lucky enough to be able to take time off to focus on my health, and hint that that is sadly not something everyone can do. I was able to do this not because of being employed in a high paying tech job, but because of strong union negotiated benefits. I live in a European country with a sane perspective on work life…
Like all these articles say, burn out comes from a number of sources, removing these will end up fixing things over a period of time.
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#100Does anyone have an advice for those who stay employed by a megacorp? I’m on a vacation this week and have just realized that I was effectively in isolation outside of my work.
Megacorps can be made to work for you (albeit with a certain set of tradeoffs): * milk the wellness benefits as much as possible - including any therapy cover * look at leave of absence / sick leave (larger corps are better able to accommodate) * transfer to a better team * adjust your hours downwards either explicitly or tacitly Megacorps aren't great at the whole empowerment and outcome control thing, but you can a…