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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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Saw a post on Paul Graham's twitter about this, turns out white, liberal female teens were the most depressed, for whatever reason, that's a strange specific group to be extremely depressed imho.

That’s not surprising at all. Each of those groups (white, liberal, female) is individually correlated with being more depressed. It’s not surprising at the intersection of those groups is the least depressed: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/03/how-to-understand...

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Guys in his town were either working, pursuing a hobby, or socialising?

Being drunk during all of your free time is socializing?

That account is only the perspective of somebody who obviously didn't feel included and left the town. I bet people who like living in that town would describe it differently.

What else do we really know? For all we know, the guy who left was a teetotaler and would characterize any social gathering with a few beers present as "everybody getting drunk."

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>aren't allowed to clap at events because clapping is too violent This is the first I'm hearing about this, where did you see it?

They made it up.

It's hardly widespread, but it's absolutely happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQ

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Seeing as how my daughter has gone through ten years of therapy due to depression I'll throw my hat in the ring and tell you what I think at least part of the problem is: Late stage, winner-takes-all & loser-gets-nothing, Capitalism. Those of us who are well-entrenched in our careers may not understand how vicious the world is for the entry-level and those aspiring to launch careers. The secondary schools preach and…

The US is so close to a near ideal mixed economy. If the cartels holding oligopolies on housing, healthcare, and education were disbanded life would be dare I say pleasant in America. Today GDP keeps rising because of a few free money trees, while quality of life for many is deteriorating. Becoming middle class is stressful here, and while it shouldn’t necessarily be easy it should at least be formulaic. Young people seem to sense this formula is disappearing before them.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

#95

I recall seeing commentary recently from mental health specialists that noted that young people are increasingly facing a sense of existential dread over climate change - that there's nothing they can do to stop it, and will feel the impact more heavily than previous generations. I wouldn't discount social media and related issues out of hand, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's a contributing factor. I understand…

I care more about hypergamy and dying alone than climate change as a young person.

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I had no phone as a kid, I tinkered with PCs and programming, but spent most of my time outside, with friends. Riding our bikes or skateboarding till the sun came down. We played basketball and met new friends at the mall. We explored abandon buildings and found places on the map we wanted to visit when we got cars. None of us had ADHD, depression, or were on SSRIs. Nobody made up mental illness or gender identity. This is so obviously a result of our screwed up culture and social media, and prevalence of phone usage from a young age. I have several young cousins and they are in bad shape. Fat (like real fat), sedentary, addicted to anime, rarely play outside, and of course, have all the mental illness acronyms.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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White liberals are the only demographic with an out-group bias, and women rate higher in negative emotion, so this makes perfect sense to me. out-group bias: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1074524252638982144.html

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but it seems that only happens at the cost of shitting on people who are like them. Who would have expected this could lead to depression?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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One key element (though not the only one) is Dobbs v. Jackson , subsequent legislation encouraged by it, and the highly visible effects that this has had on reproductive healthcare even where no actual elective abortion is involved . In terms of cultural expectations of progress and very visceral potential personal impact and perceived position in society, this is a radical reverse for that group (on the second point…

Notably, though, the charts start showing massive growth in depression around 2012, which was long before Dobbs. And there are some trends in the opposite direction - iirc hormonal birth control used to be much harder to get (telehealth has made the prescription requirement much less onerous), and anecdotally nowadays it seems a lot easier to get info on sterilization or methods for intentionally changing menstruatio…

> I’m not saying Dobbs doesn’t matter, only that I both 1) doubt it’s a central driver of the trend

Yeah, I’m not saying it (or reproductive rights & health care more generally) is the central driver of the trend, I’m saying its one of the key reasons why if someone asked me, today, what group in American society would be most depressed, my intuitive response would be “white liberal teen girls” (particularly, its a key reason why “female, white, and liberal” are parts of that) – why that element that was called out as surprising upthread would not be.

Though Dobbs didn’t just appear ex nihilo without many years of clear lead up to it that reflected a change in the direction of society, so I wouldn’t dismiss the issue being deeply connected to an important part of the broader, earlier trend.

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Existential dread over climate change is a symptom, not a cause of mental health problems.

Why would this be? It is obvious the existentially complicated things create anxiety.

Is that obvious? Or do the immediate, simple things - I have to see everyone at school tomorrow and they all think [something bad about me] - create anxiety more? I think it's probably easier to distract yourself from "ice is going to melt into the ocean and kill a bunch of people eventually" than from "people are having fun and didn't invite me RIGHT NOW"
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