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AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Why do people use M for Megabytes?

The way I understand it JEDEC had standardized KB/MB/GB being multiple-of-2-based in memory specs prior to the IEC standardising KiB/MiB/GiB for the same. As a result it kind of just stuck in the space since the idea of multiple-of-10 cache is a bit silly anyways so there is no risk for confusion.

That doesn’t answer why people use M instead of MB let alone MiB.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

#92

Have you noticed how AMD and Intel just do tiny steps, sometimes even not worth writing about when it comes to innovation? It's always either AMD matching the new Intel CPU of other way around - it's never about eg. completely crushing Intel. This is the problem of late stage capitalism, where both companies are owned by the same large investment funds and they use their power to ensure neither company could eat too…

I mean...it's not in anyone's best interests for the only two companies in a given market to completely crush the other, right? It would be bad for consumers (increase in prices), bad for B2B (increase in prices), bad for workers (wage suppression), bad for for the market (monopolies eventually focus more of their efforts on rent-seeking than what made them profitable in the first place).

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

#93

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When they manually forced it onto the CCD with 3D-Vcache, they saw a 100% speedup: " As we can see in our Factorio benchmark, we saw massive gains of over 100% when forcing the Ryzen 9 7950X3D to use the CCD with the 3D V-Cache as opposed to letting AMD's PPM Provisioning and 3D V-Cache Optimizer drivers do their thing automatically. "

So presumably a bug that can be fixed by either AMD updating their optimizer, Factorio updating to work better with it, or both?

Or just buy the X3D that have cache on each CCD instead of half of them.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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I just disable PBO on my 3900X - you are 100% correct that an extra 5% performance is not worth the extra 30% power draw/heat.

This is the same as AMD "Eco Mode"?

I just turned on Eco Mode last night and was pleasantly surprised. In a non rigorous test on my 5600x, Eco Mode had zero change to single core performance, unchanged CPU temp. Multicore saw a 3% performance drop, but temps were ~12C cooler.

Test yourself, but I am definitely going to leave it enabled.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

#95
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So presumably a bug that can be fixed by either AMD updating their optimizer, Factorio updating to work better with it, or both?

Or just buy the X3D that have cache on each CCD instead of half of them.

More precisely, buy the X3D that has only one CCD.

There is currently no consumer model with 2 CCDs and X3D on both of them.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Is there a point to going beyond 60 updates/s in Factorio? Because if not the system seems to be doing the correct thing and using less power. I hope AMD isn’t causing higher power usage for all users just to game some benchmarks!

60 updates/second only happens while you're still running a small base.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

#97

Related and also interesting: Ryzen 7950X3D with One CCD Disabled - The 7800X3D Preview https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ryzen-7800x3d-performance...

> Where AMD X3D is taking the wrecking ball to Intel is power consumption. Our simulated Ryzen 7 7800X3D is one of the most energy-efficient CPUs we ever tested. In gaming it consumes 44 W on average, while the competition is wasting a ton of energy to achieve the same FPS: 13900K (143 W), 13700K (107 W), 13600K (89 W)—all more than twice the power usage than AMD's new gaming gem.

Wow. I don't needed such CPU now, but if I needed a low-noise/silent but performant PC I would definitely look at this one.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Is there a point to going beyond 60 updates/s in Factorio? Because if not the system seems to be doing the correct thing and using less power. I hope AMD isn’t causing higher power usage for all users just to game some benchmarks!

It's not like the CPU looks at the FPS to decide how to clock. Factorio has extremely variable CPU demand as your base grows.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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Silly question: what constrains cache sizes? What prevents just making them bigger and bigger?

Die space. There's a maximum reticle size. You can't make chips bigger than that without using multi-chip techniques like wafer scale integration, chiplets and so on.

If you do a full reticle chip and use most of it for memory you can get about 1GB of SRAM. But that would also be extremely expensive.

Re: AMD releases a new flagship CPU for consumer market with 128M of L3 Cache

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So presumably a bug that can be fixed by either AMD updating their optimizer, Factorio updating to work better with it, or both?

If it's a problem for Factorio it's also a problem for others, so definitely something to fix on the AMD side.

Its more of a fundamental scheduling issue. The unlike big/little cores OS has no idea what apps "prefer" cache or frequency.
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