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Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by oblio »

JadeNB wrote: post #51
oblio wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My list was not an exhaustive list :-))) > But the EU insists on open borders because they want social and political integration, not just economic integration. Yes, they do. You don't know what the EU project is about. You don't know its history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_European_Union > After the war on 19 September 1946 Chruchill went further as a civilian, after leaving office, at the Universi…

> > But the EU insists on open borders because they want social and political integration, not just economic integration. > Yes, they do. You don't know what the EU project is about. You don't know its history: … > The EU was always a political union. I'm confused, because it seems that you and your parent are saying the same thing. Did you misread them as saying the EU doesn't want political integration?

If you read their tone, EU political integration is a negative aspect.

I'm saying that a) it was always the plan and b) it's good.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by dathinab »

Most times this kind of thing happens it is _not_ because the member states in questions want to "resist" the regulation or anything like that.

Instead it most times because they just failed to write down and pass a law, e.g. because they forgot, had to handle a pandemic, infighting not specific to the law dragging law making speed down and many similar issues.

One example I vaguely remember was when law makers wrote the country laws for some regulation they wanted to push _beyond_ what the regulation required in a bad way which lead to the law being prevented in one way or another again, and again, and again until the time period to put the regulation into local law was over...

So assumptions about countries being against a regulation, or "that they then shouldn't have voted for it" or similar can not be done without looking into the specifics of the country and regulation in question.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by toyg »

prmoustache wrote: post #70
toyg wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the case for any international treaty - which is effectively what these laws are.

Not all of them. Regulations and decisions yes, Directives no. This one is a directive. "Regulations and decisions become binding automatically throughout the EU on their date of application. However, they may require changes in national legislation, and may require implementation by national agencies or regulators." "Directives on the other hand, must be incorporated by EU countries into their national legislation.…

I'm not disagreeing, but what I meant was: if government of country X signs an agreement with country Y, then holds elections and the political wind changes, typically they won't be able to just rip the agreement without suffering massive diplomatic damage. EU Directives, in practice, are a way to create international agreements at scale across the continent, streamlining the necessary proceedings. In the same way as a country wouldn't be expected to simply toss an international agreement after a political change, they are expected not to simply ignore matters agreed at EU level by a previous administration without serious repercussions.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by iakov »

hungryforcodes wrote: post #82
toyg wrote: post #52

To people getting their knickers in a twist: Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Latvia, Poland and Portugal, with all due respect, are hardly beacons of anti-copyright maximalism. Chances are that most of them simply couldn't be arsed to write the relevant laws, over a timespan that included such facetious events as a 2-year-long global pandemic. If I had to prioritize lawmaking, I would also put some copyright bullshit at…

More countries leaving the EU? It's not supposed to be a hostile union is it?

You can’t be serious. After the clusterfuck of brexit other countries will be very, very careful even thinking about leaving. And if some country decides to leave the union it wont be over a inconsequential fine and lawsuit.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by edgyquant »

iakov wrote: post #95
hungryforcodes wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More countries leaving the EU? It's not supposed to be a hostile union is it?

You can’t be serious. After the clusterfuck of brexit other countries will be very, very careful even thinking about leaving. And if some country decides to leave the union it wont be over a inconsequential fine and lawsuit.

> the clusterfuck of brexit

The “clusterfuck” was due to the EU becoming hostile and super forced in the media.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by toyg »

edgyquant wrote: post #96
iakov wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t be serious. After the clusterfuck of brexit other countries will be very, very careful even thinking about leaving. And if some country decides to leave the union it wont be over a inconsequential fine and lawsuit.

> the clusterfuck of brexit The “clusterfuck” was due to the EU becoming hostile and super forced in the media.

And totally not due to the UK Foreign Secretary declaring they wouldn't abide to the terms of what they were going to sign anyway. Uh-uh.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by lakomen »

paulusthe wrote: post #56
nirimda wrote: post #13

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There is a problem with any legislative process that begins with the executive obligating the country to adopt certain specific laws, and only then asks the legislature whether those certain specific laws should become the law of the land. I don't fully understand the logic of this kind of legislative process. If the EU can make it binding on member states to introduce a certain law, why not perform the entire proces…

This went through the EU Parliament. It was not an instruction handed down as dictat by an unelected bureaucrat or executive. The same process is how every other EU wide regulation goes into effect. EU passes it, the member states get their input during the EU process, and the member states are then obligated to abide by the rules. An analogous process, which is not a perfect analog but is similar, is how US federal…

There was also ambiguity in how the vote was formulated and what yes and no meant. Many people demonstrated against the changes and they got pushed through by a suspicious voting process by Herr Voss.

You're now a criminal if you offer your webspace for free and someon3 uploads anything unlawful in the broadest sense.

Thanks EU corruption.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by lakomen »

durnygbur wrote: post #64
ta1243 wrote: post #2

Bulgaria, Poland and Portugal voted for it. Maybe they should have voted against it in council.

I presume countries like Finland and Denmark somehow oppose these rules, while countries like Bulgaria and Poland don't know what they are doing and slacked on the topics in this particular domain.

When I download from zippyshare I always pick Denmark as the VPN country. Seems like they have good copyright laws.
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