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Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by csomar »

piuantiderp wrote: post #40
Retric wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The China/US link is frequently overestimated it’s only 14% of total US trade. China isn’t even the US’s largest trading partner, it’s 3rd after Canada and Mexico, with a small lead over the EU. Really though the top 4 spots are all fairly close to each other.

I know that at least for Mexico, a lot of the trade with China has final destination the US.

Same thing for all countries. This also applies to China. Stuff they produce can’t be made 100% in China. Though I’m sure China is playing games to get around import restrictions.

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Post by sputr »

For everyone cringing at these new rules - just imagine what they would have been without Julia Reda (singular Pirate MEP at the time) who fought this law with everything that she had. We mustn't forget the many NGOs, and the fact that the Greens supported her in the fight. But Reda was something special.

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Post by durnygbur »

ta1243 wrote: post #2

Bulgaria, Poland and Portugal voted for it. Maybe they should have voted against it in council.

I presume countries like Finland and Denmark somehow oppose these rules, while countries like Bulgaria and Poland don't know what they are doing and slacked on the topics in this particular domain.

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Post by denton-scratch »

pyuser583 wrote: post #31
oblio wrote: post #20

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> The US is very economically integrated with China. No, it's not. It is slightly economically integrated, and mostly in terms of physical goods. Are American IP laws applicable in China and the other way around? For example when licensing a Disney movie in the US, can I distribute it in China? Do you get warranty in China for any good sold in the US and vice versa? Do both countries use, by law, the same systems of…

None of these three things require open borders, which the EU insists on. In fact, the Canada has all three in common with the EU. But the EU insists on open borders because they want social and political integration, not just economic integration.

> But the EU insists on open borders because they want social and political integration, not just economic integration.

I think the open borders thing is that you can't have an open internal market, unless workers can move freely across borders, as well as goods and capital. That is, it really is about economic integration.

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Post by dfawcus »

SllX wrote: post #33
ta1243 wrote: post #23

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Three groups passed this law * The EU Commission (headed by commissioners appointed by the government of the members, 1 per member) * The EU council (makde up of the heads of government of the members, 1 vote per member) - so sort of in line with US senate as originally enacted (where the state government chooses the senators) * The EU parliament (voted directly by the population, broadly in line with the population,…

Not quite. It’s overlapping jurisdiction and overlapping sovereignty. Murder would still be illegal under common law, but let’s take your hypothetical and say that it wasn’t, and say that a state didn’t have a statute against murder: the Federal Government could prosecute under Federal law in the Federal court system. The States have no obligation to charge under that same Federal statute though, and in fact can’t be…

Murder is not illegal under English Common Law, it is unlawful.

So have US states actually passed statutes against murder, as opposed to simply setting the penalties for it?

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Post by s1artibartfast »

SllX wrote: post #41
s1artibartfast wrote: post #36

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It's also worth highlighting that in the US Federal representatives are democratically elected by the constituents whereas EU commissions are appointed. The US has Federal commissions called committees, but they have less legislative power

Those aren’t exactly commissions. They’re an organizational and productivity scheme of the Legislative branches through which they subdivide work between sitting democratically elected legislators. If something makes it out of committee, it can make it to the floor, but no committee is committing legislative acts on its own. There are Executive agencies called “commissions”, but they don’t have bonafide legislative p…

This is basically what I am trying to say. Sorry if it wasnt clear.

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Post by inputError »

sputr wrote: post #62

For everyone cringing at these new rules - just imagine what they would have been without Julia Reda (singular Pirate MEP at the time) who fought this law with everything that she had. We mustn't forget the many NGOs, and the fact that the Greens supported her in the fight. But Reda was something special.

just fyi their name is Felix Reda now

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Post by prmoustache »

toyg wrote: post #50
prmoustache wrote: post #27

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The government of the member states is not the parliament of the member states. Also between the date something pass at EU level and during the delay to transfer directive governments changes, parliament electives can be reelected, etc.

That's the case for any international treaty - which is effectively what these laws are.

Not all of them. Regulations and decisions yes, Directives no. This one is a directive.

"Regulations and decisions become binding automatically throughout the EU on their date of application. However, they may require changes in national legislation, and may require implementation by national agencies or regulators."

"Directives on the other hand, must be incorporated by EU countries into their national legislation. Each directive contains a deadline by which EU countries must incorporate its provisions into their national legislation and inform the Commission to that effect."

source: https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-making-process/applying...

That doesn't mean they have the right to ignore the directive and not decide on a law but there is definitely more leeway.

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