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TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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I'm flabbergasted by the appeal Tiktok apparently has over the average Joe. I can't stand it. Vertical videos, combined with the exact duration of a short term memory loss affected person's attention span, make me want to throw my eyes into a furnace. I block Youtube shorts for this same stupid reason, even great channels can't resist Google's whip "incentivizing" them to make these AMAZING short vertical pieces of s…

Agreed. Furthermore the content is vapid, shallow, and the creators are overwhelmingly devoid of taste. It's all very low quality content. You won't find anything truly educational or with a good story there because the format simply doesn't support that.

It's crap for fiction, and crap for nonfiction. The only thing it could be good for is meme shit and dancing videos, but the creators have no taste so in practice it's not good for that either.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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There are two types of people: Those who have used TikTok, and those who haven't (but are nevertheless engaged in a full-on satanic panic / red scare over it).

You seem to imply that those who have used TikTok know for a fact it's harmless. It's not, on many levels. At the very least, it encourages harmful behaviours both while using the app (aka mindlessly hollow crap TV couldn't dream of) and off-app (by showing you stupid shit that gets promoted to the top, therefore implicitly approved by society). Curiously, the kind of activities that the "TikTok algorithm" promotes i…

>it encourages harmful behaviours both while using the app (aka mindlessly hollow crap TV couldn't dream of) and off-app (by showing you stupid shit that gets promoted to the top, therefore implicitly approved by society).

I don't see how TikTok is any different than YouTube, Twitter and Instagram in this regard. The Cinnamon Challenge is almost 10 years old at this point.

>he kind of activities that the "TikTok algorithm" promotes in Mainland China are is different from dances, beer basketball or tooth filing.

Because the Chinese government has regulations against it. If they didn't exist, Bytedance would be happy to shove whatever crap down the throats of Chinese netizens granted it made them money. Gaming companies in China also limit the amount of time teenagers can play games, but that didn't come from the goodness of their hearts.

However try implying that the US Government should take similar steps and see how far you get.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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After hearing so much about TikTok's addictiveness, I decided to give it a whirl. I spent a good few hours trying to get a feed that was interesting to me by searching for various keywords. I was mostly looking for weird, abstract, absurdist videos, but also anything else that interested me. Unfortunately it was quite difficult to find anything I actually liked. Most of "weird tiktok" seemed to be a teenager's idea o…

I tried the same about a month back - opened an account, logged in and tried searching on a few technical terms to see what I could find and train the search algorithm. Like yourself though, every time I log in afresh I end up with some weird video, usually someone pulling a duck face into the camera or dancing or something.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

#95

Even if TikTok were suddenly wiped off every phone on the planet, a competitor would take its place. TikTok simply takes advantage of people's desire to be entertained and apathy over privacy issues.

Most people don't care about privacy issues not because of apathy, but because they have a different sense of privacy than privacy advocates. I believe privacy advocates view private information without nuance, whereas normal people do not. Many people would not care a lick of you could figure out they ate at subway earlier in the day, whereas this is worrying to privacy advocates.

This claim is regularly repeated, but strongly and directly contradicted by literally every study on the topic. Here [1] is one from Pew in late 2019.

81% of Americans believe the potential risks of companies collecting about them outweighs and benefits. 79% are very/somewhat concerned about how the data collected on them is used. The big issue 81% also believe that little or no control over the data collection. Interestingly not only do people also feel that the government will do nothing to hold companies accountable, they are also concerned about how the government is using their data.

Such results are demonstrated in every single survey. People are overwhelmingly concerned about how companies are using their data, but feel completely helpless.

[1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-an...

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

#96
post #21

It's about time we made some social network legislation akin to tobacco/gambling restrictions.

Yes because the War on Drugs has worked wonders. Any law that is passed to restrict people from doing something that only harms themselves ends up being applied unevenly and usually only affects the poor/minorities. See “the War on Drugs”

What are you going to do, grow a social media network with hydroponics in your closet? Drug/alcohol prohibition doesn't work because production is inherently decentralized. Other forms of prohibition do frequently work. Conflating any form of prohibition with drug/alcohol prohibition specifically is a common libertarian trick, one they trick themselves with. What about prohibition of asbestos? That seems to be working pretty well, as far as I'm aware there's no black market for kitchen mittens stuffed with asbestos. Working in a factory that made such mittens killed one of my grandfathers, but that doesn't happen anymore. Prohibitions frequently work, the cases where they don't are the unusual exception.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

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I'm finally in a place where the only website I religiously check is HN. Because of it's nature, for me, it never takes up more than a few minutes every couple of hours. It took hard work to get there. I use Nextdns to block domains of websites and apps when I realize I spend too much time on them. Could I just allowlist domains, sure, and sometimes I do that when I need to look at something on Reddit for instance. B…

Damn man, I was just thinking about how annoying it is that I can't find anything fun to do on my phone. I just check HackerNews and painstakingly slowly type comments in on here at 20 WPM. I can get a tiny glance at the world news through news.google, but that site gets worse every time I load it up. I tried paying for Apple News, but it was all low-quality clickbait. What were some of the things you had to wean you…

Just count yourself lucky you don't have many phone habits to kick. Don't try acquire more habits, you're already winning.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

#98

After hearing so much about TikTok's addictiveness, I decided to give it a whirl. I spent a good few hours trying to get a feed that was interesting to me by searching for various keywords. I was mostly looking for weird, abstract, absurdist videos, but also anything else that interested me. Unfortunately it was quite difficult to find anything I actually liked. Most of "weird tiktok" seemed to be a teenager's idea o…

I found my way into YouTube shorts since I already use YT a lot and it knew what I liked. Realizing it’s a TK ripoff, and seeing funny TKs shared, I figure TikTok must be way better, so I tried it. But I had the same experience as you: it didn’t click. Maybe if I had replicated my YouTube subscriptions (some are on both) it would have worked better, but I tried telling it my interests and hoping “the algorithm” would figure it out. But it didn’t.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

#99

After hearing so much about TikTok's addictiveness, I decided to give it a whirl. I spent a good few hours trying to get a feed that was interesting to me by searching for various keywords. I was mostly looking for weird, abstract, absurdist videos, but also anything else that interested me. Unfortunately it was quite difficult to find anything I actually liked. Most of "weird tiktok" seemed to be a teenager's idea o…

> If anybody has any tips about how to get a better feed, I'm willing to give it another go.

I do. Don't waste time by trying to find the stuff you want by explicitly searching for specific tags (aside from maybe for the purpose of the initial seeding, but that's not a must at all). That would indeed bring up just tons of kinda trashy content that seems like it is tailored to either teenagers or the lowest common denominator. Instead, try using the main feed.

Simply scroll past videos you don't find interesting/appealing to you, hit "like" (double tap) on the kind of videos you like, etc. You've mentioned you've already found some creators you like, that's great. Hit "like" on some of their videos that you actually like . Don't try to trick the algorithm by forcing some unnatural behaviors, just use the feed normally. To clarify, when I say "feed", I mean "For You" feed aka the main feed, not "Following" feed.

First 30 mins or so of that will be meh. But the more you use it that way (doesn't need to be in one sitting at all, that part doesn't matter), the better the content will be tailored to your tastes.

I can almost guarantee that you will not only find what you wanted that way, but also discover things that you didn't realize you liked/wanted to see. I checked out feeds on my friends' phones before, and it is kinda wild how different our feeds are. A friend of mine who is very seriously into bodybuilding gets some crazy useful (according to him) exercise technique/regimen videos that are very far from the mainstream "exercise routine/fitness advice" videos. Another friend of mine who is into building/fixing cars gets a lot of great build project videos. I get a solid mix of a particular type of dark comedy that appeals to me, sound synthesis videos, and some cool electronics projects that I would actually want to attempt myself.

Just don't rush it, don't expect some instant magic to happen, and let it naturally adapt to your tastes.

Re: TikTok’s greatest asset isn’t its algorithm, it’s your phone

#100

After hearing so much about TikTok's addictiveness, I decided to give it a whirl. I spent a good few hours trying to get a feed that was interesting to me by searching for various keywords. I was mostly looking for weird, abstract, absurdist videos, but also anything else that interested me. Unfortunately it was quite difficult to find anything I actually liked. Most of "weird tiktok" seemed to be a teenager's idea o…

I found my way into YouTube shorts since I already use YT a lot and it knew what I liked. Realizing it’s a TK ripoff, and seeing funny TKs shared, I figure TikTok must be way better, so I tried it. But I had the same experience as you: it didn’t click. Maybe if I had replicated my YouTube subscriptions (some are on both) it would have worked better, but I tried telling it my interests and hoping “the algorithm” would…

A bit of a tangent, but YouTube had sucked me into hours of economic doomscrolling a day. I even purchased the premium tier to avoid ads. Then suddenly two months ago they changed some algo and all the good videos are gone, along with most of my engagement.

The lesson I learned: Even if I find magic, magic can quickly disappear with a new production release.

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