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Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Post by textide »

jbmny wrote: post #34

Caught them live a couple months ago at Madison Square Garden. I couldn't believe how good they sounded or how energetic they were. Zach had to sit down throughout the whole performance due to an injury, but it didn't bring down the intensity at all. And you'd have absolutely no idea Tom Morello was 58 years old. I found myself wondering how much better their shows could have been 30 years ago -- it didn't seem like…

Saw them at Lollapalooza in New Orleans in 1993. None of my group of friends had ever heard of them. We were there for Tool, Primus and Alice in Chains. The crisp guitar and overall energy of Rage was jaw-dropping. The next day all of us bought their CD and blasted it while driving around for the next year.

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Post by alrs »

bentt wrote: post #62
Sporktacular wrote: post #53

Great band but these articles always need to talk up the originality or uniqueness of a given band when they just don't need to. Rage against the machine came at the right time, had/have great energy, technical skill, an important message etc. all of which make for a great piece. But mixing metal and hip hop in some new way? There were a dozen big name acts at the time doing exactly that.

In 1991? Who?

Staying entirely in the '80s, early rap-rock would be the Clash, Time Zone and Tom Tom Club. Mid period would be RUN-DMC/Aerosmith and the Beastie Boys. Later would be Age of Chance, Pop Will Eat Itself, and World Domination Enterprises. You could probably give Big Audio Dynamite an honorable mention.

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wil421 wrote: post #27
xeromal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought Zach was the one who believed in activism the most.

Despite the restaurant rant I think Tom Morello is the better activist. Zach was certainly the more committed and extreme activist. Tom’s show on SirusXM is awesome and I highly recommend it. There are a couple good article if you google Tom Morello activism, I’d link but some plate behind paywalls.

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Post by chillwaves »

maxerickson wrote: post #67
KBeyo wrote: post #21

So, I’m sitting here in a small town in Uruguay on the coast. I’m American and I’m thinking about this third world country (please, this is how they refer to themselves - not as a developing nation, so just hard stop right there) and I’m thinking about where we are as humans, are heading. Well, as my father said tonight, history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes…here we are. What is going on??? I try and try as someone who g…

We've made lots of progress on problems like hunger. Despite there being far more people now than 30 years ago, a smaller number have less food than they need (not a smaller percentage, fewer people). To cast that as decline or things going in the wrong direction is bizarre. And we have probably made net progress on people being closer. Bigotry has likely declined (even if there are still many noisy bigots out there)…

This isn't a very good rebuttal.

Most of the metrics mentioned are essentially unknowable or even subjective.

The overall point was that there are a lot of problems but we are not fundamentally changing the structure of society to address them.

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Post by flobosg »

djur wrote: post #29
yeahwhatever10 wrote: post #6

Never understand how the Beastie Boys don't get more acknowledgement for contributing to the sound that RATM used.

What do you see as the main similarities? I don't really feel like the Beasties' early rock sounds were that much closer to RATM than, say, Run-DMC or even Schoolly D's "Signifying Rapper". The Anthrax collaboration version of "Bring The Noise" might be even closer, but it was released after RATM's debut was recorded.

Anthrax released “I’m The Man” in 1987, which could be considered rap metal.

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Post by pozdnyshev »

wil421 wrote: post #27
xeromal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought Zach was the one who believed in activism the most.

Despite the restaurant rant I think Tom Morello is the better activist. Zach was certainly the more committed and extreme activist. Tom’s show on SirusXM is awesome and I highly recommend it. There are a couple good article if you google Tom Morello activism, I’d link but some plate behind paywalls.

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Post by oaththrowaway »

nemo44x wrote: post #87
bheadmaster wrote: post #7

Funny how fame changes people. Started out as a gang of activists, rapping about social justice and all the equality stuff - ended up throwing tantrums for not receiving special treatment for being rock stars: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/tom_...

Yeah they turned into “I will do what you tell me” sort of thing. They became the machine. Sad.

Rage For The Machine

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Post by apaprocki »

vondur wrote: post #11
blindriver wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

Downset was heavily influenced by Zach’s old band Inside Out. I was in an old hardcore band from that era and know Ray and played with shows with Inside Out. Updated for autocorrected error.

Don’t get many opportunities in 2022 to tell the global Internet reading HN to go listen to Burning Fight and No Spiritual Surrender! What was your band?

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Post by KBeyo »

pr0zac wrote: post #88
KBeyo wrote: post #21

So, I’m sitting here in a small town in Uruguay on the coast. I’m American and I’m thinking about this third world country (please, this is how they refer to themselves - not as a developing nation, so just hard stop right there) and I’m thinking about where we are as humans, are heading. Well, as my father said tonight, history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes…here we are. What is going on??? I try and try as someone who g…

I think with regard to bands like RATM and other anti-capital counter-culture theres a very big question about what is true over the long term: 1) Capitalism will sell its opponents the tools necessary to destroy itself 2) Capitalism will subsume and monetize any movement which threatens itself I'm pretty sure RATM's choices assumes 1 while the record label etc assume 2. Theres a lot of interesting historical analysi…

Right on…

My thoughts and some of the people in the financial times argue that we are moving towards a more fragmented and local method of society. One where regions are more self sustaining and less reliant on global trade. I think overall, capitalism as a system can work, it’s just that the rules / laws must change to better accomplish a balance. The lobbying in the interests of corporations is one thing in history to go back and reconsider…

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Post by fragmede »

jansan wrote: post #28
yeahwhatever10 wrote: post #6

Never understand how the Beastie Boys don't get more acknowledgement for contributing to the sound that RATM used.

The Beastie Boys were never out to change things. They wanted to have fun and gave us the best live performance of a one chord song ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ5yKJlhbiA

The Beastie Boys? Not out to change things? I do believe that they asked their listeners to fight, for their rights (to party)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk

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