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Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Post by KBeyo »

zhengyi13 wrote: post #74
KBeyo wrote: post #21

So, I’m sitting here in a small town in Uruguay on the coast. I’m American and I’m thinking about this third world country (please, this is how they refer to themselves - not as a developing nation, so just hard stop right there) and I’m thinking about where we are as humans, are heading. Well, as my father said tonight, history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes…here we are. What is going on??? I try and try as someone who g…

Are you saying that it's coming back around again?

Yes, 100%…big time paradigm shift. All has changed. And by the way for context, I ran a top ten data provider for global commodity prices and traveled the world meeting major decision makers from tons of countries. My current company focuses on the labor market and I work internationally. It’s not just what I read, it’s what I see and also, what I hear about when talking to laypeople on the street in these countries.

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Post by jhickok »

lawgimenez wrote: post #79
djur wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you see as the main similarities? I don't really feel like the Beasties' early rock sounds were that much closer to RATM than, say, Run-DMC or even Schoolly D's "Signifying Rapper". The Anthrax collaboration version of "Bring The Noise" might be even closer, but it was released after RATM's debut was recorded.

Beastie Boys was a hardcore band before all the songs you mentioned, the fourth member is the drummer of Luscious Jackson. Or before they became a rap group. Edit: Beastie Boys as a hardcore band pre-dates RATM's or Zach's Inside Out. I think the GP is correct.

Huh, haven't heard the name "Luscious Jackson" in a long long time. I really liked a few of their songs.

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Post by triyambakam »

MarcelOlsz wrote: post #71
nappy-doo wrote: post #58

I know this is a joke, but this is really what it was like hearing RATM for the first time: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TTXPvD5iYxs

For anyone that can't stand not being able to scan, replace "shorts" with "v" to get a regular video: https://www.youtube.com/v/TTXPvD5iYxs

That's super helpful, thank you! It's like holding my breath not knowing where I am in the video.

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Post by nverno »

blindriver wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

How prophetic is this Trump sign in the Sleep Now in the Fire music video from 1999[1]. I had tickets to the ill-fated Beasties/RATM tour, so bummed that never happened. They've had an impact though, their music is immortal.

1. https://youtu.be/kl4wkIPiTcY?t=64

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Post by KBeyo »

poisonarena wrote: post #54
KBeyo wrote: post #21

So, I’m sitting here in a small town in Uruguay on the coast. I’m American and I’m thinking about this third world country (please, this is how they refer to themselves - not as a developing nation, so just hard stop right there) and I’m thinking about where we are as humans, are heading. Well, as my father said tonight, history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes…here we are. What is going on??? I try and try as someone who g…

> I’m American and I’m thinking about this third world country (please, this is how they refer to themselves - not as a developing nation, so just hard stop right there) ps no lo basurees asi gringo, da? > I try and try as someone who grew up as the only white kid in my area in Chicago, dirt poor, to understand how, in my opinion, we as the United States, and therefore the world, are going backwards. puro cringe

Well, I employ people from here and pay them double what they’d make and give them opportunities where there are none. Like one of my ML guys - thanks me everyday - he knows it - he was working security at a hospital before I hire him. So not sure where you’re from or your story, but to say my story is cringe…I assume you had a pretty easy life then and didn’t go through the struggle myself or others I’m describing went through. When everyone I talk to here has issues paying the bills for their energy every month, at least I can relate. What do you do for work and what have you achieved / overcome? Seriously asking out of curiosity so I understand the context behind your comment.

All my employees hate to hear the term developing nation and prefer third world…

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Post by nemo44x »

bheadmaster wrote: post #7

Funny how fame changes people. Started out as a gang of activists, rapping about social justice and all the equality stuff - ended up throwing tantrums for not receiving special treatment for being rock stars: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/tom_...

Yeah they turned into “I will do what you tell me” sort of thing. They became the machine. Sad.

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Post by pr0zac »

KBeyo wrote: post #21

So, I’m sitting here in a small town in Uruguay on the coast. I’m American and I’m thinking about this third world country (please, this is how they refer to themselves - not as a developing nation, so just hard stop right there) and I’m thinking about where we are as humans, are heading. Well, as my father said tonight, history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes…here we are. What is going on??? I try and try as someone who g…

I think with regard to bands like RATM and other anti-capital counter-culture theres a very big question about what is true over the long term:

1) Capitalism will sell its opponents the tools necessary to destroy itself

2) Capitalism will subsume and monetize any movement which threatens itself

I'm pretty sure RATM's choices assumes 1 while the record label etc assume 2. Theres a lot of interesting historical analysis to be done arguing which interpretation is actually true in this case.

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Post by KBeyo »

maxerickson wrote: post #67
KBeyo wrote: post #21

So, I’m sitting here in a small town in Uruguay on the coast. I’m American and I’m thinking about this third world country (please, this is how they refer to themselves - not as a developing nation, so just hard stop right there) and I’m thinking about where we are as humans, are heading. Well, as my father said tonight, history doesn’t repeat, it rhymes…here we are. What is going on??? I try and try as someone who g…

We've made lots of progress on problems like hunger. Despite there being far more people now than 30 years ago, a smaller number have less food than they need (not a smaller percentage, fewer people). To cast that as decline or things going in the wrong direction is bizarre. And we have probably made net progress on people being closer. Bigotry has likely declined (even if there are still many noisy bigots out there)…

Bigotry declined? I don’t think so at all - not sure where you are living. From the post about the Indians and their cast system the other day on HN, to the lack of opportunity for those who illegally crossed borders and left their families to come ti the US who experience hatred and racism each day - telling me about it all the time. To us for some reason reporting in the news how important it is to not hate on gays and transgender (which is obviously wrong) but seeing nothing as loud in the news about the racism about blacks…racism is very alive and strong especially in the US. Religion and the white Christians that have ruled for so long and are now so fearful of the tides changing are pulling out ever last stop to maintain power. Not sure how so many are blind to this, but dig into history and the light shines bright.
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