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Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by anonymoushn » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:30 AM UTC

skissane wrote: post #88

muststopmyths wrote: post #39

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Microsoft seems to have basically given up on windows except for legacy support. I suppose satya’s master plan is to eventually compete with Amazon on the price of Linux VMs

On the contrary, they’ve been adding new features which bring it closer to POSIX in capabilities - for example, various Windows 10 builds introduced Unix domain sockets, a pseudoterminal API, proper UTF-8 support, POSIX file delete semantics, etc. The pain of porting software from Linux/macOS to Windows has been reduced (significantly for some types of apps) and here’s to hoping they reduce it even further.

Maybe they'll ship a usable version of huge pages so that ~all software can go like 10% faster someday. We've waited like 26 years so far.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by Godel_unicode » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:35 AM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #71

noptd wrote: post #55

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>The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows If Microsoft has their way, you mean.

Microsoft already has their way. Any time you boot an alternate OS, it's only because Microsoft deigns to allow it. They're the CA for Secure Boot, and at any time they can forbid disabling Secure Boot in order to qualify for Windows.

…and then immediately get broken up.

I have always found it funny that Microsoft provides a free service to the Linux community which makes them significantly safer, and for their trouble they get no end of shade from that community.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by jiggawatts » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:36 AM UTC

Godel_unicode wrote: post #76

Someone1234 wrote: post #53

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I suspect Microsoft's vision is for you to use Azure AD with site-local Read Only Domain Controllers running headless on Server Core in case of internet or Azure AD outages. Server Core is more competition to headful Windows Server, rather than Linux in particular. The only great argument for running Windows Server is Exchange and Active Directory (or IIS for legacy .Net Framework applications). That being said thoug…

Is SQL Server good on Linux now? Lot of LoB apps out there (that used to be spreadsheets) based on that.

No. You would have to be a maniac to use MSSQL on Linux in production. It’s so expensive anyway that the Windows Server licenses pale in comparison.

This kind of thinking is the equivalent of putting no-name retread tyres on an F1 car. Like okay, it’ll function, technically. It will save money. Is it a good idea?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by Godel_unicode » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:37 AM UTC

encryptluks2 wrote: post #29

bitwize wrote: post #19

Makes me think of Eric S. Raymond's erotic fanfic: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 If this is going to be a desktop offering from Microsoft, I think it will be for remote cloud and potentially WSL2 use only. The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows.

I fully disagree with this. WSL has only from my perspective gave Linux Desktop a bad name due to many poor choices and performance. It has gotten better, but you still need someway to deploy Windows and Windows deployment automation sucks and is bloated. Why would a user want to run a lightweight desktop inside a legacy spyware one?

Because Windows is super easy for the vast majority of people to use and desktop Linux isn’t.

Windows deployment isn’t bloated, it just has a ton of actual functionality that real users want and that doesn’t come for free. The UX for the admin is also super nice, with tons of online articles and communities with people who are willing to help you do what you’re trying to do, as opposed to tell you why what you want is bad.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by jiggawatts » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:38 AM UTC

anonymoushn wrote: post #91

skissane wrote: post #88

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On the contrary, they’ve been adding new features which bring it closer to POSIX in capabilities - for example, various Windows 10 builds introduced Unix domain sockets, a pseudoterminal API, proper UTF-8 support, POSIX file delete semantics, etc. The pain of porting software from Linux/macOS to Windows has been reduced (significantly for some types of apps) and here’s to hoping they reduce it even further.

Maybe they'll ship a usable version of huge pages so that ~all software can go like 10% faster someday. We've waited like 26 years so far.

SQL Server has been able to do that on Windows for about a decade now. Just grant the “Lock pages in memory” privilege to the service account and it’ll do it automatically if the server has 16 GB of memory or more.

I use it as a free 15% go-faster button in my consulting gigs.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:42 AM UTC

gerdesj wrote: post #59

mianos wrote: post #56

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Even though it is possible to run an AD with samba, it requires more than just clickety click on a bunch of boxes and MS AD is quite a large very functional product.

It is absolutely wank compared to eDirectory but I'll be whistling in the wind on that one! eDir is what AD should have been.

Is there an OSS implementation?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by heywoodlh » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:43 AM UTC

aliqot wrote: post #58

noinsight wrote: post #18

No. Microsoft will buy Canonical for Ubuntu and that sweet, sweet developer mindshare. Ubuntu is the developer distro after all. Ubuntu will become Microsoft Linux.

> Ubuntu is the developer distro after all I'd have assumed Arch and friends.

> > Ubuntu is the developer distro after all

> I'd have assumed Arch and friends.

I'm a huge Arch (and NixOS) user. But one of the things that I think is difficult about Arch in an enterprise is that by design it is difficult to standardize enterprise tooling around. Ubuntu, on the other hand, has a bunch of defaults that can be more reliably be predicted for in an enterprise.

I'm a security engineer and I've thought long and hard about why enterprise applications often lack Linux support -- it would be difficult to have something that works across the board (there are so many choices of desktop environments, notification daemons, network subsystems, etc.). If I were to write enterprise applications that targeted Linux I would probably target the default config of the current LTS release of Ubuntu (Gnome as the desktop environment, etc.).

I feel like Ubuntu is the desktop developer environment for the enterprise that is forward enough to support desktop Linux.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:44 AM UTC

jacooper wrote: post #20

noinsight wrote: post #18

No. Microsoft will buy Canonical for Ubuntu and that sweet, sweet developer mindshare. Ubuntu is the developer distro after all. Ubuntu will become Microsoft Linux.

Is this really realistic ? Why would Microsoft get into the Linux Enterprise market?

Money. Cant have Azure without a lot of Linux

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by Godel_unicode » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:46 AM UTC

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #46

CoastalCoder wrote: post #14

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> Edit: who's extending, embracing and extinguishing now?! Still an open question, I'd say.

Yeah, we're just now reaching the embracing. First Windows+WSL becomes the ideal dev environment, then Linux apps run natively without WSL, and then... why run a Linux kernel? After that they'll have their sights on the real prize: being the dominant browser again.

I find these kind of comments fascinating, with the juxtaposition of the late 90s OS wars from the Linux side and the complete pivot to aaS and meet people where they are from Microsoft.

Be as watchful as you want, be aware that the enemy isn’t coming though.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by mappu » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 1:57 AM UTC

anonymoushn wrote: post #89

josephg wrote: post #73

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Imagine being ok with trillion dollar companies using opensource code you wrote, for free. Imagine if the people who work at those companies aren't your enemy. But instead are potential customers and potential collaborators, who see value in your work and want it to succeed. Imagine if there was a good implementation of some idea, expressed as code. And we can all share and contribute to that single good implementati…

PRs to improve zstd's embarrassingly slow decoder require you to assign your firstborn to Zuck and new Microsoft is selling me a subscription to use my laundered open source code to generate autocomplete suggestions in their closed-source IDE that pegs 2 cores and needs 4 gigs of memory (on the remote machine only) to edit 50k text files over ssh

Zstd's decoder is very very fast for what it does, what ideas do you have to improve it?

It's unlikely to beat lzo family on decompression speed, but that's a different class of compressor entirely. And probably there are still some more tricks zstd can learn from closed-source Oodle leviathan, but i don't think much more can be learned.