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Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

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Memorably (to me) in Berlin they at various points banned drinking beers outdoors, implemented a 10 or 11pm (can't remember) curfew, and other absolutely pointless reactionary measures.

The guidance seemed to be randomly generated at times, and kept changing.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

#92

I feel like it may have been a better idea to move the congress to some time in the summer, because public health restrictions in the winter don't seem to go away. We've had vaccines since early 2021, and the 2021 winter still had restrictions, now we're two years down the road and looking at another wave and another restricted winter. I don't see how it's going to be substantially different for the 2023 winter unles…

Or, you know, just do it online

The last years have seen an online congress (rc3).

To be honest, its been pretty shit. The meatspace part is what actually makes congress good.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

For me it sends the message: We actually believe in science and scientist predict high covid numbers for the timeframe.

In contrast to others, who act completely surprised, when the predictions come true.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Is it normal in Germany to still be cancelling large events due to Covid? That certainly isn't the case in the UK and hasn't been for some time.

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> But what's more important is that Lauterbach(the current health minister) had a plan to drastically reduce emergency beds right before Covid(I don't remember if they actually did).[1]

Lauterbach, who was not health minister at the time, is reported as saying it is likely there are too many hospitals in central locations rather than smaller clinics spread out. It's not his plan and he explicitly calls its specifics "wrong and overstated."

(And he's not wrong - in Berlin one can get amazing treatment in any specialty in our hospitals - if one could get a referral from a GP, which there aren't any of.)

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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I get why they do it. Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate, and experience tells that December will be worse, so their event would almost certainly be severely downsized or altogether disallowed by the authorities. Renewed Covid restrictions are already being debated in German politics with the general expectation being that some restrictions like masks and less…

> Oktoberfest in Munich led to a big Covid surge with hospitals filling up at a dangerous rate

I'm not seeing any evidence anywhere that there were 'dangerous' rates of hospitalizations, unless you consider any increase 'dangerous'. Have any facts to back that up, or is it hyperbole?

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

#97
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, not at all. But the entirety of CCC isn't "normal", C3 isn't just some command line Oktoberfest. CCC identifies a lot with greater-good responsibility and that's not really compatible with the position of "I'll pretend the pandemic does not exist unless authorities force my hand" that a commercial event organizer would take.

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I do not tend to defend the CCC. But in this case, I think is the right call. It is just they believe it is not socially responsible. I think is a valid point of view, specially from an association which says to be socially engaged.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

#98
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a new law that allows for stricter Covid regulations between October and April, this can make planning large events a gamble.

Any link?

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/coronavirus/in...

Basically, if a state parliament identifies a "concrete danger for the functioning of the health care system", they can impose certain additional measures. For instance "hygiene concepts" for events may be required, next to obligatory mask wearing and social distancing.

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Independently of the truth of your statements - your comments would be better received (and, more importantly, help preserve the quality of Hacker News) if you were a little bit less...emotionally charged in your language.

Honest question: other than the phrase "It's been a disaster of a Government with disastrous policies" which is really negative, but I still consider it a valid point of view. What is emotionally charged in the language? I feel frustration, but I do not see anything too emotional. Except that in HN you have to be a robot to post?

Re: No Congress 2022: Looking forward to decentralized alternatives and Camp 2023

#100
Why not permanently move ccc to the opposite season with the opposite disease load ?

I never understood the Christmas holiday schedule of kongress and it has kept me from ever attending these past 20+ years … too many other commitments and too crazy a travel season …

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