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Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

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Here’s a piece of COMPLETELY anecdotal data, so do with it what you will. A friend with metabolic syndrome was struggling with weight despite intermittent fasting. She began to wear a continuous glucose monitor. She found that black coffee had the same effect as eating a donut, but if she added a boiled egg, the effect on her glucose was neutral. Now, I don’t know what effect all that has on other metabolic processes…

There’s no glucose in black coffee though. I’m not sure how that’s possible. Wouldn’t the glucose have to come from somewhere?

Yes, it comes from elsewhere in your body.

A continuous glucose monitor checks the level of glucose in your blood. Glucose can be stored in your body as glycogen (e.g. in the liver, or muscle tissue).

Your pancreas produces glucagon, which influences the process of converting it back into glucose, released into your blood.

That's generally accepted basic science, but from my own anecdotal friends/family experience, the pancreas also seems like a pretty buggy organ generally, prone to glitches both temporary (like perhaps in this coffee drinker) and chronic (type 1 diabetes), leading to undefined behavior, crashes, and even fatally bricking the system permanently.

So this anecdote isn't particularly surprising to me.

(Also, for those reasons, I would definitely wear a continuous glucose monitor myself if it wasn't so expensive and difficult to arrange when you don't actually have anything known to be wrong with your blood sugar levels. I predict that within a decade or two, they will be a fairly ubiquitous piece of human body instrumentation, like the sleep-tracking wristwatches and rings we have today.)

Re: Study: Time-Restricted Eating Improves Cardiovascular Health for Firefighters

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Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

What's the IF protocol do you use? And do you take any Coffee during fasting? Any sugar or milk?

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No, all your eating happens in that 10 hour window. You fast for at least 14 hours per day. Easy enough if you eat an early dinner and don't snack after.

so lunch AND dinner or just early dinner? always feel like these hourly windows are underspecified since you can cram a ton of food in that time

If it's a 10 hour window presumably most people are eating multiple meals, but it's not really underspecified since you can eat whenever you want during that time.

There are other people doing 4 hour windows for IF in which case it's more like a single meal, but that's not what this study tested.

(This is just explaining the idea, not advocating IF)

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No, all your eating happens in that 10 hour window. You fast for at least 14 hours per day. Easy enough if you eat an early dinner and don't snack after.

Is the position of that window relevant? So, I sleep 9h, which means, I'm awake 15h. If I don't eat 2,5h before and after sleeping, would this be enough?

> Is the position of that window relevant?

Who knows!

This seems like one of the things that makes it hard to test intermittent fasting: there are a bunch of variables other than just the length of the window.

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I am always unsure how this applies to someone with an irregular exercise schedule. If, when fasting (intermittent) my exercise is primarily cardio then I will continue fasting. However if it is resistance training, does getting some protein into my system as soon as possible take priority over fasting? Or is this less important than the immediate-protein-shake crowd suggests? Should I try to pull the window forward…

No. I do IF and lift heavy+cardio every early morning. I have progressively gotten stronger - benching over 330 and squatting well into the 400s.

Ive spent a lot of heartache and headache over research around these type of questions. The best answer is to learn what works best for your own body. Eat enough protein as a starter in any case.

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I've been trying to do this for years but I like my coffee with cream and sugar. I've tried various sugar/cream alternatives over the years but nothing really stuck. With coffee+lite cream + sugar I fast about 15 hrs a day. Am I getting any benefits at all?

Ignore the bro science. Keep your cream, though you should probably drop the sugar.

I limit my coffee creamers to about 25-100 calories depending on number of cups pre-meal. I’m in better shape than most hardcore IF practitioners.

CICO.

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I am always unsure how this applies to someone with an irregular exercise schedule. If, when fasting (intermittent) my exercise is primarily cardio then I will continue fasting. However if it is resistance training, does getting some protein into my system as soon as possible take priority over fasting? Or is this less important than the immediate-protein-shake crowd suggests? Should I try to pull the window forward…

A few researchers, notably Alan Aragon and Brad Schoenfeld did a lot of analysis on protein timing research a while back and the general conclusion is that as long as you get enough protein during the course of the day (or within a few hours of your workout), basically it doesn't matter so much. Sources: Aragon, Alan Albert, and Brad Jon Schoenfeld. “Nutrient Timing Revisited: Is There a Post-Exercise Anabolic Window…

Yes Don Lyman's research has shown the same thing. Timing of protein consumption doesn't matter very much. The important thing is to consume a large bolus of at least 40g during a single meal rather than spreading it out in little snacks throughout the day.

https://peterattiamd.com/donlayman/

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Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

Huh, I've been intermittent fasting (eating only between 11am - 7pm for me) for most of this year, and haven't noticed any emotional changes like that. But the physical ones definitely! I feel way healthier and my bloodwork just came back much improved as well. For me, though, I don't think it has anything at all to do with the time restriction so much as the inadvertent calorie restriction. I've lost 30 lbs since I…

In my experience, this is a good description of what happens. Eat less; lose weight; feel better.

Now let's find a way to put this in a pill so manufacturer reps will provide literature to doctors to prescribe it and insurance companies will pay the drug makers so everyone can go to pill maker conferences in Hawaii for education.

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Really enjoying IF and it's had enormous benefits for me. The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding, way, way down from the serious telling-off I got 6 months ago. I'm not using someone else's schedule, just listening to my body and pushing boundaries as hard as my fitness will allow. But there are mental "downsides" to reckon with. It's not grumpiness, but rather a "predatory" state. Not quite aggressi…

> The doc basically said my latest bloods are outstanding What was the change in blood reports? I am surprised somone can simply reverse their 'serious' metabolic disease state in mere 6 months. Then what would be the point of living a healthy lifestyle everyday if you can simply 'get healthy' in a matter of months when you need it. I've wondered about this for a while. My friends don't give a shit about health and b…

Like sex, do you want to have the benefits along the way or wait until the last days of life?
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