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Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by nwienert »

serf wrote: post #85
lallysingh wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Click bait isn't different than wearing a funny hat to engage students in class.

> Click bait isn't different than wearing a funny hat to engage students in class. what are you talking about? a student gets stuck going to class regardless of how goofy the teacher dresses, whereas I feel an extreme sense of revulsion when I click on a YT link with a meme-thumbnail or a clickbait title. your analogy fails since in this instance the 'student' gets to decide whether or not they participate in the cou…

You’re baking in the assumption that goofy hat is 100% correlated with bad content, but I’d say 30% of my YouTube subscriptions do the goofy hat thing (usually just having somewhat baity thumbnails / titles) yet deliver great content.

And honestly? I don’t care. The content is good, and if the hat gets them more viewers then all the better.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

lallysingh wrote: post #52
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Click bait isn't different than wearing a funny hat to engage students in class.

I disagree.

A click bait, is a bait, a lure in all instances to get something different what is expected.

A fish wanting the worm gets the hook, a fox wanting the meat, gets the snap trap. The clicker wanting the content promised in the title, gets something different, not what is expected.

> ... wearing a funny hat ...

An instructor still delivers all the details and content as expected with or without the funny hat. Not so for click bait videos.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by joegahona »

charcircuit wrote: post #54
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

Having good thumbnails and tiles is just marketing. If you want to sell or get the word out about what you are offering it helps to have a good marketing effort. Yes, creating the material is a lot of work, but that doesn't mean that marketing is something that doesn't need hard work.

It's succumbing to these [1] types of thumbnails that it sounds like the GP is trying to avoid having to do.

Andrew Huberman has tame thumbnail images that are professional and informative. Like others have said, there has to be a middle ground to explore.

[1] https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nZQgszA0_80/hqdefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwE...

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by klabb3 »

LouisSayers wrote: post #84
djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

This reminds me of a saying I've heard from Dean Graziosi (sales type guy). "Sell them what they want, give them what they need". I also dislike this whole game where you have to essentially mould yourself into this "mainstream click-baity character", but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbi…

> but part of me recognises that if your goal is to sell, then you'd be wise to spend time on presenting your content in a way that is at least initially attention grabbing.

The issue is, I think, exactly that everyone must be at least partially a salesman to get ahead. Is this what we want? Is there a way for YouTube to compensate for clickbaity titles and thumbnails? Are they incentivized to do so?

Thinking back at teachers and teaching that I really liked, they aren't always the best salesmen, but they're always very good communicators, and good at speaking. I don't think that the content promoted by today's engagement machines are optimizing for that.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by Miraste »

EarlKing wrote: post #44
green_on_black wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solution proposed by shareholders: Why do you think you're entitled to our profits?

Solution proposed by viewers: Why do you think you're entitled to my attention? [ installs adblock ]

Solution proposed by Google: Force through Manifest v3, coincidentally make blocking YouTube ads impossible

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by movedx »

djaychela wrote: post #42

I produce Music Tech-based educational content on YT. It started as a hobby and sideline to my main work (which at the time was classroom teaching of the same content). While I'm no longer working in classrooms (pandemic plus other reasons led to this), I'm still producing content, which I think is of good quality and worthwhile. The issue I have with it is that I refuse to produce attention-grabbing clickbaity title…

I'm a creator too. I'm small on YouTube (3,880 subs; 6.4k views and about 293 hours watched in the last 28 days), but have a (relatively speaking) large Discord with 3,800 members. I have a mailing list of about 1,600. My goal and focus is to sell, but it's to sell a big package around the idea of IT education. I want to sell to people who want the interaction and community, not just the knowledge dump.

And I'm the same. I won't do the over-the-top, hyped up character who uses the latest trends to grab your attention, like some sort of hollowed out clown that has no real joy in the middle.

Instead, I just focus on writing my online courses, mentoring people, and building a community. If you're interested in the same thing, and I can help, reach out :-)

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by barkingcat »

sings wrote: post #88
yamazakiwi wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on what you want. Google is optimizing for eye balls so content that warrants more engagement is going to win. 2 questions on the end of the spectrum to ask yourself... Do you want to build a community that is a reflection of your ideas? Do you want to build revenue by growing your channel regardless of the type of consumer you attract?

Exactly. While obviously in a minority, GP should take heart in the fact there are viewers out there, myself included, that will actively avoid videos with click bait title cards. Silly facial expressions and “you won’t believe…” type text are an instant turn-off for me. However, they are obviously effective in engaging a younger audience.

What exactly does "you won't believe" do?

Whenever people say that I think "of course I don't believe ..." (ie that the topic is stupid, or that the decision of the day by xyz company is weird/bad/good, etc)

why should I believe or not believe in someone who I don't know?

If my mom says "you won't believe me if I told you you are not my son, but adopted" I'd be shocked.

Random youtuber "you won't believe?" - heck I don't believe a word coming out of your mouth! Of Course I DON'T believe you.

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by movedx »

willhinsa wrote: post #25

Can we go back to the chapter on YouTube where we had downvotes so we can tell whether or not a video is going to be high quality and informative or not?

I don't understand YouTube's move to remove the downvote button - cyber bullying? What I will say though is it actually hasn't stopped me from being able to identify a bad video. If a "bad" video had 1,000 upvotes and (previously) had 10,000 downvotes, combined with a high view count and engage via the comments, just removing the downvotes still tells me everything I need to know: 1,000 upvotes on a high view count video with high engagement? Probably a bad video.

But again, I don't know why they removed it? /shrug

Re: The Next Chapter for Learning on YouTube

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Post by throw_m239339 »

Youtube, please fix your search function. Only show me the content I'm searching for, not something completely unrelated to my search "just in case I like it", also work on your recommendation system cause it still sucks... and stop trying to shove "shorts" don't my throat as well... There is a good reason I use Youtube and not Tik Tok...
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