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A man was given a suspended jail sentence in the UK for making a joke video about Grenfell. To (on the whole) great and uncritical applause from the media and general public.
Article for those who might be interest: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/man-admits-p... . A 10 week jail sentence for a racist video making fun of a terrible tragedy doesn't bother me as much as locking up political opponents
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A man was given a suspended jail sentence in the UK for making a joke video about Grenfell. To (on the whole) great and uncritical applause from the media and general public.
Article for those who might be interest: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/man-admits-p... . A 10 week jail sentence for a racist video making fun of a terrible tragedy doesn't bother me as much as locking up political opponents
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Literally a 30+ year jail sentence vs fines. Like don't get me wrong, that seems bad, but not really on the same level
> but not really on the same level It's not, of course. It wasn't my intention to portray it at such (which is why I didn't pile this on as a top level comment). I did think it was interesting to bring up readily available examples that show we're not done with (pretty open) authoritarianism, even in EU countries. I guess it's similar reason why jfax commented about UK tweet jailings.
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A man was given a suspended jail sentence in the UK for making a joke video about Grenfell. To (on the whole) great and uncritical applause from the media and general public.
Article for those who might be interest: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/man-admits-p... . A 10 week jail sentence for a racist video making fun of a terrible tragedy doesn't bother me as much as locking up political opponents
Any time you read a headline like this, replace the innocuous-sounding non-crime (“tweeting”) with “upsetting people in power.” Suddenly you’ll realise that the same kind of thing happens everywhere in the world. E.g.: Julian Assange, who’s main crime was upsetting people in power . Unless you think it’s a crime worthy of being hounded for over a decade by multiple nations’ security agencies for trying to — and faili…
Not really. Tweeting your opinion is legal, leaking state secrets not so.
He was lauded as a hero when he published damning Truths about things like the War in Iraq, this did not hurt the people in power, but when he started publishing Truths about Hillary Clinton, that's when he started hurting the people in power.
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Article for those who might be interest: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/20/man-admits-p... . A 10 week jail sentence for a racist video making fun of a terrible tragedy doesn't bother me as much as locking up political opponents
Ok, I read the article. The defendant did not share the video publicly, he shared it with two whatsapp groups. He was also not the one to make the racist comment in the video. Was his video offensive? Sure. But being offensive should never be a crime.
edit: also the article doesn't mention how large the groups were. There's every possibility one was quite large because you know it went viral
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Not really. Tweeting your opinion is legal, leaking state secrets not so.
What the GP comment is saying is 100% true. Julian Assange is being persecuted because he published damning Truths about the people in power. He was lauded as a hero when he published damning Truths about things like the War in Iraq, this did not hurt the people in power, but when he started publishing Truths about Hillary Clinton, that's when he started hurting the people in power.
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Not really. Tweeting your opinion is legal, leaking state secrets not so.
So if I leaked Saudi state secrets, should I be extradited to Saudi Arabia? Or is that only if I leaked the secrets of a state you consider a "good guy" state?
And it's not like Saudi Arabia, China, or certainly Russia would be very fast to extradite someone to the US anyway so this is just sort of the way it works.
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Every country on earth has diplomatic relations with Saudia Arabia except Belize, the Holy See, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Nepal, North Korea, Papua New Guinea, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Taiwan, Western Sahara, and a few Pacific micronations. Obviously the House of Saud is evil, but it's largely impossible to have a modern society without their oil.
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Ok, I read the article. The defendant did not share the video publicly, he shared it with two whatsapp groups. He was also not the one to make the racist comment in the video. Was his video offensive? Sure. But being offensive should never be a crime.
But the thing we're comparing to is literally advocating for women to be allowed to drive. I categorically reject the notion that we have to ignore the content of the messages when comparing the cases. The slap on the wrist for making fun of victims is bad, but isn't comparable and any reader should know both that it was just a slap on the wrist and that it was for something that almost everyone would agree was wrong…
In my opinion the size of the groups doesn’t matter when it comes to whether or not it should be a crime. Though I understand it may be a relevant factor as far as the law is concerned.