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Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Where are you browsing for images of space that everyone you looked up it was fake?

I think these fake photos are ones his friend offers up to him as evidence. It's not too hard to find "fake" images from NASA; they release a lot of composite images, false color, etc. Presented in the wrong way, or to somebody inclined to cynical skepticism, these can be construed as 'fake' and used to reinforce that cynical skepticism. An important question to keep in mind when playing this game: was the fake photo…

Right. Agreed. To add to that...

Many of the images that we get from NASA in general aren't event "photos", they're composite images, just as you said. For example, a lot of "color" images are composites of black and white images shot through blue,green,and red filters and then re-assembled on the ground. They're "true" in the sense that they're not deliberately falsifying things, but not they're not "true photos".

Somewhere (can't find the source at the moment) I recall reading that some of the early lunar reconnaissance photos were purposefully made lower quality by NASA because the U.S. wanted to keep it a secret from the Soviet Union just how good our orbital photography had become.

Just because it has some obvious and provable editing does not mean that it's a falsification.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Maybe not that much smaller? The density of meat is close to 1gm/cm³, that of the sun about 1.41gm/cm³, but the sun is relatively small for a star and larger stars are less dense. I’m neither an astrophysicist nor a food expert, but sausages have lots of carbon and contain a reasonable amount of water and thus, oxygen, so I don’t see young stars match them chemically. Maybe, some really old ones will, fairly short be…

With the pressure coming from the inside of the star from burning fuel, I think this meat-star would implode since it is just meat. Unless of course sausages under pressure emit energy. How much sausage would it take to start a thermonuclear process?

Depends. If it is proper spicy - think Balkans, Mexico or Thailand... probably less than you think.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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If it makes you feel any better, it's essentially impossible to convince a moon landing hoax believer they are wrong.

TBH, I think extreme skeptics (e.g., flat-earthers) play a useful role in public discourse. They effectively shine a light on the limits of each person's ability to justify their beliefs, vs. what beliefs are generally accepted just because nobody challenges them. I've seen a similar effect in several Christian communities in the U.S. If a Christian is mostly surrounded by other Christians, it's easy to accept lots o…

I was just talking about this this-morning with a friend. We're discussing the on-going Alex Jones trial.

When I first heard that the moon landing was faked, I did stop to ask myself "Wait, could it be true?". When I first heard that 9/11 was an inside job and that the folks on the news were "crisis actors", I did pause and ask myself "wait, could it be true?" When I first heard some of Alex Jones' stuff years ago, I again stopped to wonder if there was perhaps some truth to any of it.

To be clear, I don't believe any of those conspiracies. And Alex Jones' stuff hurts my brain. But I have always been of the opinion that it is good that we have a few "crazies" who are "way out there" in our society to serve as a check on all of us. I agree with you: "to the extent that flat-earthers help others think more critically, I'm glad they're part of public discourse." It always felt to me like having a few of those folks around was a healthy balance, even if we mostly wrote them off. Somehow.... it seems like that balance is way way way off today. I don't want these types to disappear altogether, but I'd like to see us get back to some sort of balance.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Cmon we've been joking with exactly this picture for years now on the internet. The other really popular joke one is the pancake that, specially in B&W, looks like a moon! https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/pancake-that-resemb...

At least since the 2018 "Blood Moon" eclipse

https://imgur.com/gallery/2tzJh9O

https://twitter.com/JanCastenmiller/status/10229494886028820...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/28/space-statio...

https://tineye.com/search/d719f24d68e9175cab643a8997dd24e285...

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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>believe the expert According to his tweet it wasn't so much fake news, but appeal to authority he wanted to make people aware of. https://nitter.rako.space/EtienneKlein/status/15537792036524...

How does he think dissemination of scientific knowledge actually works? 99.99% of people don't have the education to truly verify breakthrough scientific work. It's a lot of pageantry and ethical training to make the appeal to authority more valid, but it will always at its core be appeal to authority.

I think a lot of people are very wary of phrases like "believe the science" and have come to see them as actually meaning "believe the well-paid people on the TV and don't you dare question any of it." I completely agree most people are not capable of actually understanding most science, but there's also been a growing faction of "science zealots" who view science and scientists as somehow above all the problems that affect every other things humans do.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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>believe the expert According to his tweet it wasn't so much fake news, but appeal to authority he wanted to make people aware of. https://nitter.rako.space/EtienneKlein/status/15537792036524...

I think that undermines the inherent objectiveness of scientists. If people have to be skeptical of scientists they will not believe anything that they say (take the ideas of relativity or quantum mechanics). Scientists have one thing going for them in public communication and trustworthiness is it.

> If people have to be skeptical of scientists they will not believe anything that they say

Wait, are you seriously arguing that people shouldn't be skeptical of scientists? I was a scientist at doctoral course level and I sure didn't blindly believe whatever was written in a paper, or said by another researcher: a lot of papers are weak, biased in their protocol, or even straight-up arrangement with reality. This last point is quite obvious for anyone who worked in a lab. Also career has to be built and objectivity is not something rewarded by the system, so there is a lot of bullshit spread around.

A paper is a data point. Can be a weak or a strong one. The opinion of a scientist is another data point, not "science".

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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I think that if there were a ball of meat the size of a star, it would collapse into an actual star, although smaller and more dense. I would really be interested to know what Steller atomic composition most closely matches that of a sausage.

So what your saying is that it would cook itself as it collapses and somewhere in the process there'd be a point where the sausage is perfectly toasted?

Well, the water in it would first heat and turn to steam as the Chorizo collapses in on itself, which would eventually result in a steam explosion and a Chorizo Mass Ejection. That might disrupt the cooking process a bit, but you may also get some perfectly-cooked Chorizo launched your way.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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This article presupposes that Proxima Centauri is not, in fact, made of chorizo. Whereas we have long known that the moon is made of cheese. I think Klein is floating a test balloon to gauge the public's willingness to consume the 'celestial charcuterie' theory of the heavens.

Speaking for the food producers of Earth and the Solar System, I object to calling whatever material this extra-solar planet is made of "chorizo". If some expedition were to be made to this planet and return a thousand years later with a 10,000 km long sausage (nicely preserved due to the vacuum I suppose), it should not be be able to confuse the consumers by selling it under a brand name connected with Earth sausages, regardless of how tasty it might be. That would just play right into the hands of whatever corporation was able to furnish the first expedition to leave the solar system.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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I think these fake photos are ones his friend offers up to him as evidence. It's not too hard to find "fake" images from NASA; they release a lot of composite images, false color, etc. Presented in the wrong way, or to somebody inclined to cynical skepticism, these can be construed as 'fake' and used to reinforce that cynical skepticism. An important question to keep in mind when playing this game: was the fake photo…

Right. Agreed. To add to that... Many of the images that we get from NASA in general aren't event "photos", they're composite images, just as you said. For example, a lot of "color" images are composites of black and white images shot through blue,green,and red filters and then re-assembled on the ground. They're "true" in the sense that they're not deliberately falsifying things, but not they're not "true photos". S…

>just as you said.

I would hope someone with the username of MichaelCollins would be able to speak about NASA ;P

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