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Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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I think this will be the last time that I see a website listing an ICQ number to contact the author. Does that network even operate?

It does. It's bought by the Russian Mail.ru group.

In 2016, I went to an interview in their office, and the interviewer made me an excursion around it. At one place I saw big ICQ logo with sign reading "ICQ Project Department".

- Wow, it still hasn't died?!

- Shhhhh! Don't say this so loud, the guys get very offended! - said the interviewer.

The office itself was spacious, with free snacks and drinks, including free fresh juice -- I remember a perfect set of 4 people sitting together, some holding those free juices -- a guy and a girl sitting on small either couchettes or stools, and two more sitting next to them a bit higher on the window, and together looking like sat down to make promotion pictures for some sort of bar. I joked that this was staged just for me.

Then, there was a nice sightseeing place: an imposing rotating armchair next to panoramic glass, to make photos with Moscow in the backdrop. When you enter or exit the office, you walk along a tennis-field-size playground, with people playing, surrounded by a net to catch stray balls. The interviewer joked that of course all this play was also staged just for the interview.

Regarding ICQ, I guess, the project is kept by the corporation for nostalgic reasons -- it was the default messenger in exUSSR in the 90s and 00s.

Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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> Then, why is it "Children's?", you might ask. Because it is operated by the schoolchildren, 9-15 years old. This blew my mind, and immediately made me think of John Taylor-Gatto [1] who won numerous teaching awards trying, but ultimately failing, to convince American teachers to show children the same respect. My 30 year old masters students are not even allowed to run their own WiFi network never mind an actual RA…

It probably meant that the railway was for kids as passengers.

But also, in Russian language, "child" doesn't imply someone younger than teenager, it does include adolescents too. There is a distinct term for "adolescent", but no distinct term for English "kid" or "toddler" except for some regional variants.

Hence, "childrens' railway" is the most broad term for it. Also, naming it "adolescents' railway" sounded more complex in Russian, a bit awkward, and would make visitors wonder: "do they allow little kids to ride?"

Regarding running the railway, there are very strict limitations what adolescents can do and what they can't do. IIRC, they can't control the fuelling of the vehicle, and some other arbitrary operations. Probably, they can't drive the engine, but just sit next to an adult driver.

Respect for the link to John T. Gatto, he was a great thinker, I even translated one of his essays from a link posted here a decade ago.

Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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> because IT doesn't want random people running their own networks that are halfway part of the school's systems but independently administered? IT people have nothing to do with it. They just peck at webmin interfaces and pretend to understand what Microsoft tell them to do. If it were up to IT they'd just grunt and shrug, and the students would get on with it. Decisions to directly counter to the core mission of th…

Why would you consider the management of an academic institution "shadow" power? It seems pretty clear they are the "actual" power, nothing hidden about it.

Here's a couple of detailed and quite challenging videos [1,2] to help you understand, in words far better than I can offer, why the present governance structures of universities are widely regarded as illegitimate by some of the greatest minds who work in them.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5EWYohECRQ

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANdhnoAadZk

Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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I think the previous poster is saying that the state was doing the bullying, which is characteristically different.

Right, if people can't elect their leaders, then the leaders must stay in power by other means, such as bullying. Seems rather intuitive to me. Another way of thinking about it is imagine if the bullies got in power and took over the whole state. What kind of state would it be? One without free elections no doubt

Yeah certain models of governance tend towards bullying.

Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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> The Libertarian movement is inherently individualistic. Where do people get these ideas? Libertarianism is all about freedom, including the freedom to cooperate with others. For example, a baseball team is all about voluntary cooperation for a common goal. Nobody is forced to play. Baseball has nothing whatsoever inconsistent with Libertarianism. What Libertarianism lacks is forcing people to conform and cooperate.

What you describe may very well be a valid definition of "Libertarianism," but Libertarianism's modern form (at least in the United States) seems to fundamentally rely on the belief that individuals are on equal footing with megacorporations and that therefore removing restrictions on said megacorporations will result in them acting in ways that are better for society rather than worse. But, given things such as the…

"The Jungle" is a work of fiction written by socialist Upton Sinclair who was pushing his platform. It is evidence of nothing whatsoever, much like the Star Trek Federation utopia.

As for failing to pay workers, or selling unsafe food, that is against Libertarian principles because Libertarianism requires government to enforce contracts, and does not allow hurting one's customers.

Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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Thomas the Tank Engine is virtually unknown in Russia, so I doubt it

That's incorrect. The show has been regularly broadcast since the 1990's. But it's not that big in Russia that people will deliberately style steam locomotives to look like Thomas or Gordon.

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Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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These pioneer kids would be learning the 'responsibilities' on DZhD, just to face the rampant bribes and neglect on RL 'adult' railroads and elsewhere in the ussr.

It may not seem so obvious, but those who lived their adolescence through the soviet 60-80s in ussr russia are the very same cohort that now authorize the killing and the violent destruction of the so 'cherished' soviet-built infrastructure in Ukraine.

This only underscores that the children inevitably absorb the moral corruption - as the soviet times were soaked through with - just as another survival-skill no matter how it was dressed.

Fuck the dusted off soviet nostalgy - look at the present deeds!

Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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Right, if people can't elect their leaders, then the leaders must stay in power by other means, such as bullying. Seems rather intuitive to me. Another way of thinking about it is imagine if the bullies got in power and took over the whole state. What kind of state would it be? One without free elections no doubt

Yeah certain models of governance tend towards bullying.

Capitalistic governments love to bully poor people

Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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These pioneer kids would be learning the 'responsibilities' on DZhD, just to face the rampant bribes and neglect on RL 'adult' railroads and elsewhere in the ussr. It may not seem so obvious, but those who lived their adolescence through the soviet 60-80s in ussr russia are the very same cohort that now authorize the killing and the violent destruction of the so 'cherished' soviet-built infrastructure in Ukraine. Thi…

I for one have been very interested of late in the history of the USSR the Soviet Republics themselves and the style and achievements they put forward. I don't think this needs to be understood in the sense of nostalgia.

More than that I think it is important to understand the social decisions that lead to outcomes we despise. As you say, the kids who initially ran these railways had peers or passengers who now call the shots in a society we deeply disagree with. But at the same time we can marvel at how grown up a 10-15 year old can seem while shuttling around holiday travelers.

Somewhere along the way the Workers' principles were displaced by people who sought power over them. Often it is in others' experiences that we can start to understand ourselves, whether by contrast of complement.

Re: Children's Railways of the Former USSR

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Yeah certain models of governance tend towards bullying.

Capitalistic governments love to bully poor people

There are many different flavours of capitalism. Sweden bullies poor people far less than North Korea or Cuba or Vietnam does, despite being a capitalist society.
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