paperspace is alright for something simple using gpus
Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
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Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I won't even take on clients if they are using OCI now. I've had previous clients whos entire account with production servers just get nuked without even so much as a curtsey email and OCI support WILL NOT HELP.
Do you know if this occurred to a free or paid account? To be fair, I have been testing Oracle Cloud Infrastructure(OCI) on a paid account for about 2 years now and actively monitor server hosting forums. During that time I have had no "abnormal" problems with paid production account. However, it is well known that Oracle accidentally nuked free/trial accounts early on, and again recently accidental nuked free/trial…
Whilst I appreciate the comparison, it makes no sense for there to be a difference in the level of alerting, stability, security, safety, etc of a free/paid tier and a full production tier.
You can bet your bottom dollar I trial things on lower tiers, and much later on I may very well take the things I learned into production. My production budget isn't as big as some, but its still a tidy 6 figure sum each year just for cloud hosted services, with no licences or wages in that figure. If my trial on your platform goes tips up without notice, I'm going to likely conclude you're not a particularly safe place for my production stack for whatever it is I'm working on. You should also count on me telling my contemporaries about my experience too.
Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#93Alibaba Cloud. Although, my dealings with them have been entirely negative. Their strategy is to make a clone of every service AWS has, except the billing system which hides a lot of majorly expensive pitfalls. Also, if you choose one of their mainland hosted zones, trying to get your data out is even more expensive than the other zones. So in this case, "knowing more about" is really "tread carefully".
Having said that, they are the best option if you need to work with mainland China. Huawei is so bad it's almost hard to believe (literally everything is broken in some way), and AWS China only really makes sense if you are already tied to AWS.
Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#94Linode. - no nonsense prices - solid hardware, with good, consistent performance & low steal (even on shared nodes, but dedicated is there if you need it) - great support (humans you can call) - adding more and more managed services over the last few years
We trialled Linode for a bandwidth-heavy product and found that their network has quite heavy contention (decent enough speeds for bulk TCP stuff, but frequent periods of elevated packet loss, latency and jitter that caused problems for our realtime application). It makes sense given how cheap their bandwidth is, and probably isn't an issue for hosting websites / API servers / etc, but something to be aware of.
Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you find anyone who doesn't work at Oracle that can back up this bold assertion?
Why is it a bold assertion? Looks like the Oracle folks just need to submit a PR to the CAPI docs to include a link to their provider which is available now. https://github.com/oracle/cluster-api-provider-oci
It's usually quite hard to find people who don't work at Oracle who speak positively about Oracle Cloud.
We tried to use it at work, it was the second-biggest disaster of a cloud provider we've ever encountered (Huawei is the first). Stuff is just broken so often it's hard to ever feel like you can trust it.
Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was trying to price up something between hetzner and AWS and as a starting place AWS ends up cheaper until you get to a certain point then hetzner ends up cheaper. Basically wanted 3 servers. One for load balancer and then 2 web servers so I can pop them in and out. But with hetzner it’s minimum like $30/m per server when I only need 2c/2g I get 3 servers at AWS for $32.
not working for them, but a user/fan. Did you check out hetzner "cloud"? 2c/2g seems to be roughly 5$/Month, x3 would be 15$
It's actually 3.99 euros, which is about $4.21 in USD. It makes a pretty good difference if you need a lot of them.
Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#97None, it is not important at the early stage you are at, if ever, but it depends on the SaaS model you follow. Why do you think it's important to know more than the one you run on?
Fair question. We don't run on one yet -- we are at the stage where we are expanding my understanding of the cloud service offerings and am curious what is available with good reputation. SaaS is at whiteboard phase; where we invest our engineering time will be important as we recognize the issues of lock-in for something like AWS.
I wouldn't worry about being cloud agnostic, just pick one. My recommendation is GCP because it takes less engineering effort. No matter what, you will have vendor specific code, but you can minimize it.
The more important question you might ponder is how to validate the idea is something people both want and will pay for, before investing time & money in a good cloud setup. If you select smaller providers, expect to spend engineering time reproducing existing products in the big ones. Saving money on VM hourly rates often costs you more elsewhere.
The only time I recommend worrying about multiple clouds is when you have a "deploy to your cloud" product and strategy.
Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I won't even take on clients if they are using OCI now. I've had previous clients whos entire account with production servers just get nuked without even so much as a curtsey email and OCI support WILL NOT HELP.
Do you know if this occurred to a free or paid account? To be fair, I have been testing Oracle Cloud Infrastructure(OCI) on a paid account for about 2 years now and actively monitor server hosting forums. During that time I have had no "abnormal" problems with paid production account. However, it is well known that Oracle accidentally nuked free/trial accounts early on, and again recently accidental nuked free/trial…
Quite frankly it does not matter. Oracle has demonstrated that their cloud can not be trusted, full stop.
Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you know if this occurred to a free or paid account? To be fair, I have been testing Oracle Cloud Infrastructure(OCI) on a paid account for about 2 years now and actively monitor server hosting forums. During that time I have had no "abnormal" problems with paid production account. However, it is well known that Oracle accidentally nuked free/trial accounts early on, and again recently accidental nuked free/trial…
Whilst I appreciate the comparison, it makes no sense for there to be a difference in the level of alerting, stability, security, safety, etc of a free/paid tier and a full production tier. You can bet your bottom dollar I trial things on lower tiers, and much later on I may very well take the things I learned into production. My production budget isn't as big as some, but its still a tidy 6 figure sum each year just…
On the topic of their "free accounts", I did personally attempt to go through that process last month and I really don't understand how they have managed to fuck it up so bad.
The basic idea is simple, "give developers free personal resources so they might be inclined to start using your cloud for work related thing". Instead, the "free account" is basically just a guided tour on OCI incompetence before it boots you out onto the street.
On the surface they have given it some thought with setting up the system perfectly with the whole, "if your account is free you can never be charged thing" but they can't seem to stomach people actually using their "free account".
Re: Ask HN: Beyond AWS/Azure/GCP, what cloud providers should I know more about?
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you find anyone who doesn't work at Oracle that can back up this bold assertion?
Why is it a bold assertion? Looks like the Oracle folks just need to submit a PR to the CAPI docs to include a link to their provider which is available now. https://github.com/oracle/cluster-api-provider-oci
Literally anything that puts oracle cloud in a positive light is a bold assertion.