Is there any solution that doesn’t either involve developed countries lowering their quality of life or preventing developing nations from cheaply industrializing?
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The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
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Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
#92I’m a full on believer. I even own an EV but I think this alarmism is just making people numb. I think there’s a whole generation out there that never read “the boy who cried wolf”.
The big issue with climate change is it's gradual. There will never be a point where "Oh shit, everything has exploded!". Instead, it will be every year that deserts will get bigger, it will rain a little less, and a few more extreme weather events happen. This will happen just a little bit more year by year. There won't really be a point where you can say "This was the year climate change became really bad!" instead…
This. You've hit on the "shifting baseline" phenomena[1]. We cannot remember what our grandparents experienced in their daily lives.
I'll add the ongoing extinction crisis that is picking up steam, itself a knock-on effect of us gobbling up all land resources and also climate change, and pollutants. I remember days in the park in the 1980s where the air would be filled with bees and insects of all kinds. The insects are so few and far between. Like, I don't even see moths swarming around streetlights anymore. It's eerie.
Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
#93Is there any solution that doesn’t either involve developed countries lowering their quality of life or preventing developing nations from cheaply industrializing?
Ah, so you want a half-assed solution - my specialty. Solar radiation management looks good to me.
Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
#94> Nothing matters as much as our bone-headed, mass-suicidal march toward extreme-weather oblivion. Not COVID-19, not the invasion of Ukraine, not even “The Godfather.” Says a reporter living in Los Angeles, the 49th most expensive city in the world to live in. For a lot of people, what they need to talk about is how they're getting their next meal, how they're going to make rent, or survive a current war. Maybe go to…
Not sure this is a good posture regardless.
First, I'll note that a lot of poor people IRL have just as much "social conscience" than other people, especially politically. Poor people vote based on the whole range of issues that everyone else votes on.
Second, the "i've got my own problems go away" response is applicable to everything, including poverty.
The older these tropes get, the less thoughtfully they are used.
Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
#95I’m a full on believer. I even own an EV but I think this alarmism is just making people numb. I think there’s a whole generation out there that never read “the boy who cried wolf”.
>I even own an EV I don't want to be that guy, but driving an EV (unless you drive some sort of electric bicycle or scooter) is not that environmentally friendly as the manufacturers and marketing people want you to believe. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_on_the_environmen...
Another bad faith argument. It is better than driving a CO2 emitter. Full stop.
Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
#96> Nothing matters as much as our bone-headed, mass-suicidal march toward extreme-weather oblivion. Not COVID-19, not the invasion of Ukraine, not even “The Godfather.” Says a reporter living in Los Angeles, the 49th most expensive city in the world to live in. For a lot of people, what they need to talk about is how they're getting their next meal, how they're going to make rent, or survive a current war. Maybe go to…
If I told a person in a war zone there was a planetary crisis that would guarantee the death of the children or grandchildren, I don't have a doubt in the world they would care about it. Just because someone living in danger or poverty doesn't make them a fool or a coward.
Any (scientific) source that climate change will guarantee the death of the children or grandchildren?
Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
#97There is currently some chance - possibly single digit percentages - that the northern hemisphere will dissolve in a nuclear fireball and the rest of us will freeze in a long sub-zero nuclear winter. The sort of people who suggest we should only talk about the climate are dangerously foolish. Priority 1 is peace, priority 2 is prosperity (which helps keep the peace). Those two issues take priority over the climate, w…
If you don't fix the climate issues, neither of those priorities will be met.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did you compile this 14 min after the article was posted?
That account copypastes it into climate threads: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30258365 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27447861
And maintained by me, an avid reader of printed newspapers to this day.
Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
#99Is there any solution that doesn’t either involve developed countries lowering their quality of life or preventing developing nations from cheaply industrializing?
That seems like obviously the wrong question, since it has at least the potential to rule out viable solutions a priori. For example, what would be wrong with preventing developing nations from cheaply industrialising, while also subsidising them to do something else instead?
The question you pose is effectively why we’re in the situation we’re in. To solve the climate crisis all externalities need to effectively be captured in the price in order to stabilize the market failure with respect to said externalities.
Subsidies are what we do now already which is why we’re in the situation we’re in.
Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis
#100Here are some of the many of Los Angeles Times’ newspaper headlines that they used to help with their circulations: 1966 - Oil gone in 10 years 1968 - Overpopulation will spread worldwide 1969 - Everyone will disappear in a Cloud of Blue Steam in 1989 1970 - World will use up its natural resources by 2000 1970 - Urban citizens will require gas mask by 1985 1970 - Nitrogen buildup will make all lands unusable 1970 - D…
How did you compile this 14 min after the article was posted?
It's mostly copy-pasted from this article:
https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2019/09/20/nolte-clima...