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The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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I’m a full on believer. I even own an EV but I think this alarmism is just making people numb. I think there’s a whole generation out there that never read “the boy who cried wolf”.

They read it, or had it read to them - but they learned the wrong lesson.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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> Nothing matters as much as our bone-headed, mass-suicidal march toward extreme-weather oblivion. Not COVID-19, not the invasion of Ukraine, not even “The Godfather.” Says a reporter living in Los Angeles, the 49th most expensive city in the world to live in. For a lot of people, what they need to talk about is how they're getting their next meal, how they're going to make rent, or survive a current war. Maybe go to…

Says the commenter on a website where people treat six figure salaries like they are table stakes.

Does that make them wrong?

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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I think we should talk about: - How to be decent human beings to each other, and especially how to not kill each other - The media has too much power - Government over-reach Probably other things, but I don't know, these seem like way better hot-button issues.

Social unrest is being driven by climate issues, which makes these things largely secondary to it.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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post #13
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There are lots of things to talk about other than the 'climate crisis' and exaggerating it can lead to a misallocation of resources really.

We are nowhere near exaggerating it. We should be simple executing what was agreed in the Paris Agreement as it reflects our best evaluation of the cost to benefits ratio. But current policies are aiming at 1.5 degree higher than what we evaluated as the optimal solution.

>> We are nowhere near exaggerating it.

If you want to talk about the "climate crisis", I'm going to keep pointing to the lack of good modeling in regard to water vapor and air travel (which has a specific phase relationship with sunshine that must be taken into account). I'll also try to dig up that graph correlating the rise in air travel with temperatures. I'll insist that even if I accept human cause of these changes (which I'm willing to do), it is reasonably likely due to air travel and you can't show otherwise without those models.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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post #16

> Nothing matters as much as our bone-headed, mass-suicidal march toward extreme-weather oblivion. Not COVID-19, not the invasion of Ukraine, not even “The Godfather.” Says a reporter living in Los Angeles, the 49th most expensive city in the world to live in. For a lot of people, what they need to talk about is how they're getting their next meal, how they're going to make rent, or survive a current war. Maybe go to…

If I told a person in a war zone there was a planetary crisis that would guarantee the death of the children or grandchildren, I don't have a doubt in the world they would care about it. Just because someone living in danger or poverty doesn't make them a fool or a coward.

I'm sure they would care in an abstract sense. Probably they would not agree that nobody should be talking about the suffering they are going through. I have friends and family in Ukraine right now, and I've not heard anyone say anything remotely like they wished people were focusing on the climate instead.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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post #16

> Nothing matters as much as our bone-headed, mass-suicidal march toward extreme-weather oblivion. Not COVID-19, not the invasion of Ukraine, not even “The Godfather.” Says a reporter living in Los Angeles, the 49th most expensive city in the world to live in. For a lot of people, what they need to talk about is how they're getting their next meal, how they're going to make rent, or survive a current war. Maybe go to…

What are you trying to argue? That we should not care about climate change because there are reporters who live in expensive cities? Or that no-one living in Los Angeles is allowed an opinion?

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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Here are some of the many of Los Angeles Times’ newspaper headlines that they used to help with their circulations: 1966 - Oil gone in 10 years 1968 - Overpopulation will spread worldwide 1969 - Everyone will disappear in a Cloud of Blue Steam in 1989 1970 - World will use up its natural resources by 2000 1970 - Urban citizens will require gas mask by 1985 1970 - Nitrogen buildup will make all lands unusable 1970 - D…

I remember reading something somewhere in the 1990s that the entirety of New Orleans was going to be underwater by 2020 and the only way you'd be able to visit Bourbon Street was by boat.

You might wan't to rethink your example here... You don't need a boat yet, but New Orleans has suffered incredibly in the last 20 years, both materially and spiritually, because of the hurricanes and flooding.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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post #16

> Nothing matters as much as our bone-headed, mass-suicidal march toward extreme-weather oblivion. Not COVID-19, not the invasion of Ukraine, not even “The Godfather.” Says a reporter living in Los Angeles, the 49th most expensive city in the world to live in. For a lot of people, what they need to talk about is how they're getting their next meal, how they're going to make rent, or survive a current war. Maybe go to…

I totally agree with what you say. To add on that, effects of Russian war in Ukraine may have extraordinary effect on global climate, given that to limit consumption of Russian oil and gas Europe invests more in renewables and even considers building new nuclear power plants.

Re: The only thing we should be talking about is the climate crisis

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post #9

I’m a full on believer. I even own an EV but I think this alarmism is just making people numb. I think there’s a whole generation out there that never read “the boy who cried wolf”.

>I even own an EV

I don't want to be that guy, but driving an EV (unless you drive some sort of electric bicycle or scooter) is not that environmentally friendly as the manufacturers and marketing people want you to believe. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_impact_on_the_environmen...

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