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Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by gamblor956 » Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 8:01 PM UTC

Untit1ed wrote: post #27

I see a lot of people talking about reputational risk around this, but I'd be more worried about the legal implications. Most of us have contracts that grant IP of what we create to our employer at least during work hours - if you get caught doing this how do the IP implications unwind given that both your employers have the same rights to what you produced? Would it be legally equivalent to selling a bunch of IP tha…

I knew someone who tried doing just this during COVID (taking two programming jobs), and ended up getting fired by both jobs when they found out.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by xupybd » Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

valdiorn wrote: post #70

Wouldn't you be better off just being a contractor and taking multiple contracts in parallel? That way you're legally covered, and as long as you're fulfilling your tasks, you could in theory keep everyone happy and collect multiple paychecks without breaking any rules.

And you get to be honest. Taking on an employee is a lot more of a commitment than a contractor. It would feel like a slap in the face to find out an employee was working another full time job.

Why not just get a side hustle? Get some contracts and let your employer know what you're doing.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by xupybd » Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

Smeevy wrote: post #58

I had a new hire last year that did this. He interviewed pretty well and we brought him on as contract-to-hire through a placement company. We're a small company, so it was pretty easy to have everything set up for him on day one to begin contributing. The first day was spent getting to know other members of the team and we were working to get him familiar with the codebase of a new application that we were working o…

As an honest worker hoping to go remote one day this guy pisses me off. If you pull this crap you're not just burning yourself you're burning ever honest worker in the industry. This is why people ask remote employees to put monitoring software on their computers.

At least in this situation it sounds like good management at the top was able to spot the problem early.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by downrightmike » Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 10:30 PM UTC

62951413 wrote: post #88

namelessoracle wrote: post #81

The temptation here is that going from L5 to L6 has a massive increase in what you might be doing in your day to day that isnt comparable to the compensation. A good L5 in a bog standard enterprise role is likely getting their deliverables done in 2 to 4 hours (in comparison to their teammates), and the rest of the time is meetings and non coding tasks. The rest of your day is yours to spend however you want in the r…

I imagine two SE incomes would result in ~50% marginal tax rate in CA if not AMT. Wouldn't it reduce the incentive?

No, because no one every said no thanks to winning the lottery because they didn't want to pay taxes on the winnings. and taxes are graduated.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by Guest42 » Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 10:50 PM UTC

AzzieElbab wrote: post #67

epicureanideal wrote: post #39

This can only work at extremely dysfunctional companies with incompetent management. I suppose there's an opportunity here for some unethical people to get some money from those companies until they collapse. In any reasonably well-run company these people would be fired quickly. Gordon Gecko might say these people are performing service to the public by helping poorly managed companies go bankrupt faster, but it's s…

Overseas outsourcing companies have been filling multiple positions with same people for decades

Talking with dbas, I sometimes get the impression that they are managing hundreds of servers

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by aluminum96 » Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 11:38 PM UTC

It's incredible how controversial this seems to be. Millions of Americans have two jobs, mostly because they must do it to survive.

Granted, not in software engineering, but I don't see the fundamental issue.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by shaftway » Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 11:41 PM UTC

downrightmike wrote: post #94

62951413 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine two SE incomes would result in ~50% marginal tax rate in CA if not AMT. Wouldn't it reduce the incentive?

No, because no one every said no thanks to winning the lottery because they didn't want to pay taxes on the winnings. and taxes are graduated.

You're partially right, but at the income level we're talking about the taxes aren't any more graduated. I'd expect someone with these incomes to be in the highest tax grade, and the marginal rate at this point is 41-43%, between federal and state in CA.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by ramphastidae » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 12:22 AM UTC

aluminum96 wrote: post #96

It's incredible how controversial this seems to be. Millions of Americans have two jobs, mostly because they must do it to survive. Granted, not in software engineering, but I don't see the fundamental issue.

Those millions of Americans are working those jobs serially, not in parallel. That’s why this is controversial.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by throwoutway » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 12:43 AM UTC

shaftway wrote: post #97

downrightmike wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because no one every said no thanks to winning the lottery because they didn't want to pay taxes on the winnings. and taxes are graduated.

You're partially right, but at the income level we're talking about the taxes aren't any more graduated. I'd expect someone with these incomes to be in the highest tax grade, and the marginal rate at this point is 41-43%, between federal and state in CA.

Many talented engineers do not live, nor want to live, in California

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by lupire » Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 1:55 AM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #89

machiaweliczny wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently we are paying for women joining economy as land/house competition ia still same and rich just make more for claims to land. Fuck em, 0 empathy on my end.

I do empathize and am tempted myself, but I think we have to recognize that intensifying competition between workers isn't going to help us in the end. We have to unite against the business class.

That's what parent was saying. Two-full-time-income families cause wages to plummet dur to excess competition.

Working full-time is is stealing jobs from others.