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Marketing is scary for a solo developer

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Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#91

> But Raz's Chartbrew is making only $137 MRR after working on it for more than 3 years. Great post, but I don't understand what naming and shaming specific low-MRR founders contributes to your core message.

Of course my intent was not to name and shame. I didn't realize that it can feel like that. But what does it contribute to the story? I wanted to show a real life example of what a lot of solo dev founders (including myself) are doing – focusing mostly on coding. Why? Because this is what they like to do the most (I think).

FWIW I did not think you were shaming anyone; you recognized that he worked hard and did great work but has not been justly rewarded. I appreciated those examples.

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#92
I've been writing sales copy and teaching sales for 15 years and I've seen both developers and laymen spend 1000s of hours and 1000s of dollars on startups without knowing who they are selling their product to. They build something, spending years in development, only to ask "how can we sell this?" after everything is built.

This is a huge mistake.

My advise is to study sales and marketing prior to building out a project you intend to monetize. Alternatively, find a partner who can sell or hire a consultant before writing a single line of production code.

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#93
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I struggle with marketing so much. I built an amazing product, existing customers love it, but spending any time on doing marketing feels like either wasting development time or spending time to try to force people into buying something they might not want. Most ads are trying to trick you into buying stuff you don't really need. I know there are cases in which you actually see a relevant ad for something you really…

I tried to do dev and marketing at the same time, it was impossible for me. I searched my network and had a friend of a friend who is a marketer actually sit down and help me over beers one night. It really opened my eyes into how much I don't know. They later on continued to help me for a bit but I would recommend reaching out to someone who actually does it for a living and pick their brain.

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#94

Re: traffic from HN. My submissions fall off the new listings in minutes, but I still get more visitors than from twitter posts with tens of likes. This website is crazy big.

I'm guessing that's because HN optimizes for interesting headlines that lead to click-throughs to submitted links (intellectual curiosity), while Twitter optimizes for on-platform consumption (entertainment).

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#95
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Yes, but only if I manually counted conversions that google didn't see due to ad blockers. But yes. It was great. I felt like I had a dial that I could turn up and down to make my business go. Then, bam, second suspension. "Misleading ads". I have no intention to mislead anyone. Makes me feel very helpless.

Sorry to hear that. Did you try other platforms on which you didn't get suspended? Did you have to tune your Google ads campaign before it worked or did it work for you from the first try?

The thing with google ads is that I can target very high-intent queries. if somebody enters "e-paper wall calendar", I can show them my ad and have very good conversion rates.

This isn't really possible on any other platforms, since nobody goes to twitter with the "I want to buy an e-paper calendar" intent.

And yes, I tuned my ads heavily to these search queries, but in the end the automated google shopping campaign worked better.

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#96

I've started to sell a physical product that I make and have had my google merchant account suspended twice. The algorithms claim that my ads are misleading. I don't think they are, I hope they aren't. The first time, I appealed and it got un-suspended. No reason given. I thought: Cool, must have been a mistake but it's been sorted out. Then, after a couple days, another suspension. Now I don't know what to do. Googl…

I'm in the same situation. I bought a laser cutter and some other production equipment, and started making home decor. I sell pretty simple stuff, like door signs and coasters. Google Merchant Center also suspended my account for being "misleading". I have no ads, just a product feed for Google Shopping. They won't tell me what's "misleading" about my products.

Man, we should start a support group.

PS: Now I know how I know your name :) Thanks for making that great HN responses email tool!

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#98
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Where do you find these consultancies who'd use your software? It sounds perfect for my product/situation.

usually they find me first! after we establish a relationship, we just exchange ideas what other software/features we could build that they could sell it's a great thing - they get to make money doing sales, i get make money building software if you'd like to, you can e-mail me and i can suggest some agencies

this sounds amazing!!!

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#99
post #83

Here's the thing. Developers are generally perfectionists and marketers are realists. As a Developer, I am naturally uncomfortable with marketing because my default view is that I don't want to lie or over-promise and I don't like fluffy claims. Marketers and sales people can be less bothered about facts but I think much of the time, we just think that, the truth is that there can be a lot of fact-based marketing but…

> my default view is that I don't want to lie or over-promise

This is the greatest prejudice around marketing in the tech community. A simple exercise you can do that debunks that frame of thought: lies are unsustainable.

Unless you're a government or a monopoly that has their predictable flow of revenue, lies aren't affordable.

You can lie and scam people, but that's not a long term strategy, because you'll burn off customers, and complains, reports, refunds will start to creep in and - unless you're in China or some country that turns their sight away from these practices - you'll be burned.

What you might think of lies is the way one can phrase a, for example, value proposition of a product: just because a big slice of applications are CRUD apps, that doesn't define them. It doesn't help anyone when it comes to perception, because that's what you have to work with - and perception is as good as reality.

You can't work without the facts, because that's what people will have at the end.

Picking on your example, there's more to a car than MPG - and even those variables sometimes are compromises. Imagine the Toyota SUV has an higher MPG because the car weights more due to some security features, and they place the SUV in the market as a SAFE SUV FOR FAMILIES.

That's a fact (in our exercise). It's also a fact that it has high MPG, but you're not hiding it either, you have to display that information and you can even justify it, but you're not spending money to tell that.

Why? Because you can only say much to grab people's attention and to deliver the right message to them. Attention is precious, you have micro seconds to snatch it and seconds to sustain it and deliver a message.

Plus you can only factor in so many variables into a decision making process, you'll always make compromises as a customer. For a lot of people MPG isn't a problem. For some, it is. That's why there's so much variety in the market.

Re: Marketing is scary for a solo developer

#100

I work solely in marketing/advertising and have no clue how to code. I generally enjoy technology, which is why I'm on HN. I think marketers and developers need a stronger culture between ourselves. The tools of marketers (data mining, consumer behavior analysis, surveys, market testing, etc) aren't just a veneer to be applied at the completion of a development project. Marketing, when done correctly, informs UX. Mar…

> The tools of marketers (data mining, consumer behavior analysis, surveys, market testing, etc) aren't just a veneer to be applied at the completion of a development project. Marketing, when done correctly, informs UX. Up until a couple months ago, I thought Marketing teams/organizations were a bit hand wavy. But recently, I took a digital marketing course at Georgia Tech, which changed my perspective completely: ma…

What's your opinion of the Georgia Tech course? I'm just on their website checking out the curriculum, seems pretty straight to the point.
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