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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by iso1631 »

DonaldFisk wrote: post #78
sschueller wrote: post #3

"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United States.

> Like Epstein? Exactly. You can't prevent prison suicides. In 2012, when she was home secretary, Theresa May stopped Gary McKinnon's extradition to the USA, on the grounds that he was a high suicide risk, and therefore the extradition violated his human rights. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon ). If only I had similar expectations of our current home secretary.

What a crazy world where Theresa May is deemed to be a good home sec.

I wonder how much pressure the Lib Dems put on her.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by yesbut »

bladegash wrote: post #83

The framing of Assange as an innocent “journalist” being persecuted for just doing his job is, in my opinion, disingenuous. I do not necessarily agree with all the actions the US Government has taken with him, or their handling of some of the information that was leaked. However, I do not agree that a “journalist” should be able to enable espionage, let alone encourage/incite it. In case my point is unclear, I consid…

Assange is more of an editor / publisher. This is akin to the Washington Post publishing the Pentagon Papers.

As a reminder, this is why the US wants to punish Assange:

> Wikileaks reveals video showing US air crew shooting down Iraqi civilians > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-a...

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

the_optimist wrote: post #74

Only in the sense of a Solzhenitsyn nightmare. There are breathing, ideologically-bent individuals pushing this. Who are they, and how do we hound them like they have hounded him.

Doxxing only works agaisnt normal people.

When someone lives inside one of several walled properties, hiding is unnecessary.

Offtopic: doxxing is evil. Don't do it.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jm547ster wrote: post #68
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> revealed and gave clear proof of American war crimes in Iraq Honest question: are these crimes under U.S. law?

War crimes would generally refer to breaching international treaty and/or conventions. The "Patriot" Act rebranded torture/abduction so as to not fall foul of these. "Advanced interrogation techniques" ....

> War crimes would generally refer to breaching international treaty and/or conventions

Understood. But there are international laws and conventions with no binding effect, and there are those ratified and incorporated into the domestic bodies of law of its members. I’m curious if Assange’s allegations are in respect of the former or the latter.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by e12e »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #47
kome wrote: post #13

Young people IMHO have no idea what's going on. In one line: Assange in 2010 revealed and gave clear proof of American war crimes in Iraq https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Collateral_Murder,_5_Apr_2010 - now the US wants him dead. That's how imperialism works. Today is a sad day for all freedom and peace lovers. Edit: just to be clear, the perpetrators of those barbarous war crimes, and their superiors, never had to face ju…

> revealed and gave clear proof of American war crimes in Iraq Honest question: are these crimes under U.S. law?

Yes, unprovoked killing of civilians could be prosecuted as murder, AFAIK. Prosecution does not equal conviction necessarily - see eg:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-military-jury-acquits-s...

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by petra »

oauea wrote: post #14
sschueller wrote: post #3

"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United States.

Guaranteed he's dead within a year.

He'll be in solitary confinement. Maybe worse than death.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

the_optimist wrote: post #74

Only in the sense of a Solzhenitsyn nightmare. There are breathing, ideologically-bent individuals pushing this. Who are they, and how do we hound them like they have hounded him.

> There are breathing, ideologically-bent individuals pushing this. Who are they…

For starters, there are the majority of Americans who believe he should be extradited. (In second place, those who don’t care.)

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by phone8675309 »

kome wrote: post #13

Young people IMHO have no idea what's going on. In one line: Assange in 2010 revealed and gave clear proof of American war crimes in Iraq https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Collateral_Murder,_5_Apr_2010 - now the US wants him dead. That's how imperialism works. Today is a sad day for all freedom and peace lovers. Edit: just to be clear, the perpetrators of those barbarous war crimes, and their superiors, never had to face ju…

"Can't we just drone this guy?" -- about Julian Assange from the candidate in the 2016 presidential election that got the largest share of the popular vote

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by mcv »

chevill wrote: post #45
kome wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's more complicated, but that the basic truth. That's why everything stated. Then people can dig all the details and the 10 years of twist and turns.

Its a tiny part of the basic truth that leaves out any criticism of Assange. It doesn't entirely revolve around the leaking of a single video of a US helicopter killing civilians.

There is absolutely tons of justified criticism of Assange. And there are tons more details about the crimes he reported on. But going into all of that requires a massive article that doesn't fit into a short comment; this stuff is documented elsewhere.

Despite all of Assange's many flaws, it boils down to this: he reported on war crimes, those crimes go unpunished and uninvestigated, but the US wants to punish Assange, severely, despite the fact that he is not American and never even set foot there.

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