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Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by politician » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:20 PM UTC

hammock wrote: post #24

Jenk wrote: post #14

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Not deadly enough _to you_. I'm sure those who are vulnerable will thank you immensely for your compassion.

Does the Pfizer jab infection and prevent transmission to others? I thought I saw Fauci and Walensky (CDC) recently lamenting that it doesn't. Most of what I hear people say is it prevents disease severity.

It's a good question. If you Google it, the first page of results has articles reporting different reductions depending on the study, number of doses, and manufacturer. The range of results from a quick glance at a few of the articles is between 11% and 71% reduced transmission.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by _Understated_ » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:20 PM UTC

glial wrote: post #23

_Understated_ wrote: post #16

Not to hijack the thread: why is my post being flagged? I'm asking a genuine question! I was linking to UK Government data here [0] and asking about the numbers. They're not adding up. I want to know if my interpretation is correct [0] - https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...

You gave an inflammatory conclusion "we're all being lied to!" without showing how you reached that conclusion.

Perhaps I flew off the handle. Partly due to being flagged with no reply!

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by swader999 » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:20 PM UTC

drewcon wrote: post #52

neither_color wrote: post #11

It's not deadly enough for me to consider a booster, I'll pass on this supplementary shot https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-has-not-seen-any-repor...

I’m fascinated by this thinking. Do you really want to roll the dice on an infection and long term consequences including permanent loss of smell (and taste)? If this virus killed exactly no one but it just commonly removed one of your senses…is that not motivation enough to avoid it? Additionally, I just got over a two week adenovirus infection and it absolutely sucked. Not the sickest I’ve been, but the most sympto…

Yes. Natural immunity is far superior and early treatment with simple, safe drugs like ivermectin and fluvoxamine quashes any long covid concerns.

I'm speaking from experience here.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by yvdriess » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

silent_cal wrote: post #43

drewcon wrote: post #12

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Unclear why the cynicism is warranted here. They’re not just making a guess, they performed an experiment that is inline with a comparable experiment from non affiliated SA scientists to yield these results. Should they not run this type of experiment and make a useful and true recommendation to the public? Would that be a better more pure scenario for you?

No they should not make recommendations to the public, because they aren't a public agency - they have a conflict of interest. It's like a hedge fund manager giving public advice on stock picks.

Not the same.

They are not giving advice or recommendations, they are reporting the results of a study.

That's the beauty of a good scientific study: you do not have to trust the author. In fact don't, the more people try to find errors the better.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by jabbernotty » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

mshron wrote: post #46

mshron wrote: post #31

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Look all the way over at "Second dose", the age-standardized mortality rate is 1.1 per 100,000 vs 5.4 per 100,000 for the unvaccinated. 5x protection against death.

Table 1, in the linked XLS file for data through 24 September. You can see that it was originally closer to 0.1 (50x protection against death) but it's gone up to 1.1 over the last few months, I'm guessing as immunity has started to wear off.

Something else to consider is that while a person may die while having COVID-19, it does not mean that is all that they died from. People in general may have several health problems, which is especially likely for an 80+ year old person. Some healthcare activities have also been postponed since the outbreak, by the patients and also the hospitals, which may have led to less healthy people.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by Slartie » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

1cvmask wrote: post #2

This is the scientific meat of the press release where it claims a 25 times neutralizing antibody titers against the Omicron strain with a third dose of Pfizer-BionTech: The sera were collected from subjects 3 weeks after receiving the second dose or one month after receiving the third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. Each serum was tested simultaneously for its neutralizing antibody titer against the wi…

BioNTech distributes directly in Germany for sure. Also as far as I know in all European Union countries, because they basically bulk-ordered their vaccine supply together (though the deliveries are individually split up to each country).

But in the end it shouldn't matter anyway from a financial perspective, since BioNTech and Pfizer have a 50:50 split agreement on all costs and revenues related to the vaccine. That agreement should nullify any possible influence of distribution region assignments on the financial results.

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by liopleurodon » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:21 PM UTC

mwint wrote: post #55

eCa wrote: post #15

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If they can show that the product helps to save lifes and at some point get back to a normalcy, and especially if there’s no other significantly better product available, I really don’t have an issue with that.

At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?

New Zealand wants everyone to take a covid vaccine every 6 months.

Oregon wants to make mask mandates permanent.

Thousands of vaccine injured. How many athletes are dying from the vax? Lots and it's on camera.

The way back to normalcy is to take back our freedom and end the covid tyranny. Then we hold the participants responsible with Nuremberg 2.0 trials. Not just politicians, but Bill Gates, Fauci, drug companies, doctors, nurses, Big Tech, Big Media, etc.

I don't know how we'll ever be able to trust the medical profession ever again after this

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

mwint wrote: post #55

eCa wrote: post #15

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If they can show that the product helps to save lifes and at some point get back to a normalcy, and especially if there’s no other significantly better product available, I really don’t have an issue with that.

At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?

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Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by mwint » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

giarc wrote: post #70

mwint wrote: post #55

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At this point, does anyone believe we’ll get back to normalcy? What’s the path?

Vaccination. Why it doesn't seem to be working is that not everyone is getting vaccinated and there are pockets where the numbers are even lower. EVERY single study shows the likelihood of hospitalization and death is much higher in unvaccinated individuals, why is this hard to understand?

Let’s suppose we won’t hit 100% vaccination rates, for whatever reason. Are we doing this lockdown thing forever, then?

Re: Pfizer and Biontech provide update on Omicron variant

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Post by boringg » Wed, Dec 08, 2021, 2:22 PM UTC

hammock wrote: post #83

marban wrote: post #42

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Perhaps differentiate a bit? This is not Tim Ferriss selling you a greens powder.

You're right. Pfizer, unlike Ferris, has a courts-affirmed history of illegally promoting its products. Like the time they were handed the largest criminal fine and the largest healthcare fraud judgment in history. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-... There are also smaller cases as well. I haven't seen that with green powder yet.

Man he would have ok be moving insane amounts of greens powder to get the “largest” fine. Market small is way to small - non comparable.