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Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by baybal2 »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53
zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

eInk Inc. levies giant patent royalties on eInk screen manufacturers.

Plus

There are no 8 bit eInk controllers

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by ako »

qaq wrote: post #63
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

1% is 1.6 million units per year that's a billion dollar company

I doubt an lcd display in a laptop costs a vendor more than $10. So that would make it a 16 million dollar company. If a E-Ink display costs $100, it would still only be a 160 million dollar company...

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by bregma »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #61
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

> imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to - watch any kind of media - looks 'laggy' Imagine thinking that the consumer market is only for media consumers. There is a whole market of enterprise products out there, and there is certainly a use case for a _work_ laptop which needs no multimedia support. I wouldn't argue that someone buying this machine would only use only this machine. But I know I am not alon…

No manager would consider signing off on devices that don't make their PowerPoint deck look great. Without the corporate or consumer market you're going to struggle to find revenue.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#95

Post by arvinsim »

netcan wrote: post #82
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

So... An eInk laptop wouldn't be for media. It'd be a different product with different pros/cons. Easier on the eyes. Better in sunlight. Easier on battery. Quite usable for reading, emails, code and any "mostly text" use. To the OP's original point "why doesn't this just exist..." IMO, it could, but it would need to be a different product class. Just sticking the monitor onto a windows machine isn't good enough. It…

It needs to be significantly cheaper than current monitors to make business sense.

Remember, it's not about the objective value of the device. It's the perceived value that matters.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by lovelyviking »

dotdi wrote: post #4
h2odragon wrote: post #2

$800 to pre-order. (Corrected: $1800 for the pre-order, $800 for the smaller one) E-ink is one of those great technologies that seems like it has potential but won't "arrive" until after the patents all expire.

The $800 model has an "Add to Cart" button for me (in Germany). The 25.3 model shows "Pre-order".

"BOOX Mira Series only supports direct mail from China. And US, EU and UK warehouses are not supported for shipping. Some countries may levy tariffs on the imported goods. For the amount of tariffs, please consult the local customs department."

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#98

Post by mdp2021 »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #78
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

What if they made the display modular, so that you could swap it with a regular display for when you want to do gaming and other stuff like that? I personally would buy an e-ink laptop, but then again I'm very much into e-ink, I have a Kindle and ReMarkable 2, years ago I also bought DPT-S1 but I returned it because it was too expensive. Also colour e-ink displays have been getting better and better too! So I'm sure…

> so that you could swap it with a regular display

You may just want to lay an EPD tablet on the original screen and link the two. Check:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmenti...

Issues? Yes. HDMI does not allow for the touchscreen, and you may want that. And the hardware system must optimize battery life, which can be awful on the HDMI connection.

What you really want is an optimized data connection and screen mirroring to the tablet.

Or, an EPD tablet with the ability to use more than Android...

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#99

Post by BiteCode_dev »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53
zwirbl wrote: post #13

I couldn't find a video of the display in use, so here it goes (for the 13.3" version) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBfWkxOfUfQ seems a little slow and the screen refreshes sometimes excessive, but much better than I expected

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

Hard sell, but a laptop with a reversible 2-1 screen, one side OLED, and one e-ink, would probably be a winner.

Or something like the framework laptop, but with a plugable/ unplaggable screen, and you switch as needed.

I would buy one. Espacially on travel, where the prospect of working outside in nature, and having a one week battery life would be fantastic for work.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

#100

Post by DoingIsLearning »

mdp2021 wrote: post #98
LoveMortuus wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if they made the display modular, so that you could swap it with a regular display for when you want to do gaming and other stuff like that? I personally would buy an e-ink laptop, but then again I'm very much into e-ink, I have a Kindle and ReMarkable 2, years ago I also bought DPT-S1 but I returned it because it was too expensive. Also colour e-ink displays have been getting better and better too! So I'm sure…

> so that you could swap it with a regular display You may just want to lay an EPD tablet on the original screen and link the two. Check: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmenti... Issues? Yes. HDMI does not allow for the touchscreen, and you may want that. And the hardware system must optimize battery life, which can be awful on the HDMI connection. What you really want is an optimized data conn…

> Or, an EPD tablet with the ability to use more than Android...

This is my hope with the future PineNote running a Linux distro.

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