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Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

formerly_proven wrote: post #44
avar wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A little slow? I was pretty amazed by how fast it is in that video. I haven't kept up with E-Ink technology, but I own an old Kindle and it takes it 0.5-1s to refresh, but that 13.3" display is keeping up with finger gestures when scrolling. Yes it would suck for watching movies, but it seems to be really useful for anything involving text, e.g. i.e. a secondary monitor to read documentation on, or even program on. I…

Fast for eink, but also absolutely terrible ghosting, which makes the speed considerably less impressive considering how straining it looks. What's the point of a fairly quick response to screen updates when you have to press the manual refresh button in order to read what's on it?

I spend many hours of text editing / word processing on an Onyx Boox Max2, 13.3'', and have no problem with ghosting. It depends on the so-called "waveform", or firmware level algorithms for dot switching (and it's probably using Regal, though I am not sure about the details): I would say really almost-zero problems with text rendering (and update).

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by netcan »

breakfastduck wrote: post #57
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53

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I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

So... An eInk laptop wouldn't be for media. It'd be a different product with different pros/cons. Easier on the eyes. Better in sunlight. Easier on battery. Quite usable for reading, emails, code and any "mostly text" use.

To the OP's original point "why doesn't this just exist..." IMO, it could, but it would need to be a different product class. Just sticking the monitor onto a windows machine isn't good enough. It needs its apps/etc. The market is probably much smaller than the phone/tablet and laptop/desktop markets. Perhaps potential vendors don't think it's big enough to support the necessary OS, apps & such.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

salamandersauce wrote: post #60
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't understand how there isn't a market for a work _laptop_ with a display like this? - Longer battery life - easy on the eyes for long sessions reading/writing - Allows me to actually work outside!!! There is a huge market of people out there (Thinking about the typical ThinkPad users) that don't give 2 craps about color accuracy. We literally just want to read and write. Anyone envolved in Product Managem…

It would be expensive and mouse cursors are not the most enjoyable with these things. You really have to crank the speed to use a mouse cursor without extreme frustration on eInk and that comes with a huge quality loss. I imagine most people need color for certain tasks even if it's not accurate like making a PowerPoint or something. For most people I think it would be more of a frustration than a help when running W…

> mouse cursors

Touchscreen and keyboard commands. I use those systems this way and efficacy is high.

> You really have to crank the speed to use a mouse cursor ... and that comes with a huge quality loss

You must mean, "use the A2 mode". Not really, on the contrary: on GU (Grayscale Update) they mouse cursor will leave a trail that can be more helpful than an annoyance.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by avar »

sktrdie wrote: post #83

Serious question: wouldn't just turning preferences of a normal monitor to black/white give you the same result? And is e-ink really better for eyes? Not sure I've seen research in this regard.

It's not remotely the same thing.

If you haven't looked at an E-Ink display try tearing a page from a magazine or newspaper and comparing that to reading the same size of font on your laptop or PC. E-Ink is practically indistinguishable from reading a physical piece of paper, whereas the backlight alone from an LCD eventually gets tiring to stare at.

Another huge difference is being able to use E-Ink displays in direct sunlight.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by dkdbejwi383 »

sktrdie wrote: post #83

Serious question: wouldn't just turning preferences of a normal monitor to black/white give you the same result? And is e-ink really better for eyes? Not sure I've seen research in this regard.

The main difference is that there is no backlight, so it's more comparable to a piece of paper (reflective light source) than a light bulb (direct light source)

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by lopis »

sktrdie wrote: post #83

Serious question: wouldn't just turning preferences of a normal monitor to black/white give you the same result? And is e-ink really better for eyes? Not sure I've seen research in this regard.

E-Ink doesn't emit light. There's lots of research that shows problems with looking at light-emitting screens all day.

Re: Boox Mira Pro – 25.3" E Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

netcan wrote: post #82
breakfastduck wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to sell a device that costs significantly more than any other for the same power to provide what 99% of users would consider a sub par/ unusable display. Like seriously can you imagine trying to sell a laptop that is unable to watch any media, play any games and has the refresh rate / perceived performance of a 15 year old tablet. This stuff isn't ready to be a 'main' display yet.

So... An eInk laptop wouldn't be for media. It'd be a different product with different pros/cons. Easier on the eyes. Better in sunlight. Easier on battery. Quite usable for reading, emails, code and any "mostly text" use. To the OP's original point "why doesn't this just exist..." IMO, it could, but it would need to be a different product class. Just sticking the monitor onto a windows machine isn't good enough. It…

> It needs its apps

Out of experience: not really.

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