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Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Why Safari? The only sane choice is Firefox.

Or Brave. Safari gives me too many issues. Brave has all the compatibility you'd expect from chromium.

Brave is just a shitcoin mining, referral link hijacking reskin of Chrome.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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They are really on a roll there, how many user hostile moves is that in the last 30 days? I think I lost count at 4. And all in the name of 'helping our users to improve their experience'. Since when is removing features that users depend on a positive? But with the competition as good as dead they can do whatever they want: the bulk of the audience is now captive and has lost either the willpower or the means to att…

Back to Gopher!

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Firefox Nightly is a pretty good browser imho Also it just so happens that there are extensions that allow you detailed (read: raw and editable) cookie data for each website you visit!

I use & love Firefox, too, but do note that the author's criticism directly applies to it, too: AFAIK, FF will not show you the individualized cookies, or all you to act on them individually.

Now, as you say, you can download an extension (and indeed, I do!), but I think there is some merit to it being in the base app. (E.g., not having to trust an extension. But also, it's part of Firefox's data, and FF should provide decent tooling for itself.)

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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They are really on a roll there, how many user hostile moves is that in the last 30 days? I think I lost count at 4. And all in the name of 'helping our users to improve their experience'. Since when is removing features that users depend on a positive? But with the competition as good as dead they can do whatever they want: the bulk of the audience is now captive and has lost either the willpower or the means to att…

Look around you. Does it seem like doing bad things that some people have a problem with is some of kind impedes? There is always an overwhelming majority of people who don't care. That is their power. It's not going away.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Sounds like Chrome is moving more toward being a surveillance tool and ad delivery platform that also browses the web (well, more than it is right now anyway).

It’s more and more obvious we need competition in the browser space. Firefox as an excellent and performant alternative. Personally I use Chrome for work and Firefox for personal stuff.

Firefox, and the Mozilla organization itself, has its own fair share of issues.

I really wish more people would look at and help develop NetSurf[0] or other lightweight browsers with their own layout engines More importantly, I wish that regular users would stop going with the 900 pound Chromium/Blink gorilla, and instead use a greater variety of browsers/engines. This browser monoculture is just pure death.

[0]: https://www.netsurf-browser.org/

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Looking forward to a Google employee lecturing us about how users don't care about these details and how people don't want granular control over site data.

Of course an average user does not bother about these controls. They don't even need to know what cookies are. Maybe they don't care today but now you are not even giving them opportunity to learn and take control back. The argument that no one uses it is just a front. Real reason is it serves in Google's interest to remove these and that is why they are doing it. Just like GTalk and RSS.

Why, in your view, does there NEED to be two UIs in the same application serving the same purpose?

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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> You can also navigate to the site in the browser and then view the detailed data The author addresses this point (or has now addressed it) in the addendum to point out an "observer effect" shortcoming: This information can be seen with the web inspector in both Chrome and Safari. Yes, but the crucial difference is that you have to navigate to an individual site in a browser window in order to see the site data in t…

Not that I think this has actually been applied by anyone in the wild, but it'd be fun to make a site that take advantage of this You can detect developer tools being open in Chrome pretty reliably, so detect dev tools have been open then "clean up your act" before there's a chance to view anything of note

This has absolutely been used "in the wild". One particularly nasty strain of ad-block-evasion scripts would detect the developer tools being opened, and would reload the page and disable most of its features to prevent them from being analyzed.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Damn. And we lost Servo just when it was getting close to being not shitty. While everything else is moving towards more shitty.

Servo was never supposed to be a browser. It was a testbed for new browser tech/components, some of which got ported into Firefox. I had hopes that Servo would also be an embeddable browser engine, but not sure if that was ever a serious goal. Servo still exists and has been spun out of Mozilla's org ( https://github.com/servo/servo/ ). Certainly development will be slower without a dedicated, paid team behind it, bu…

I give Firefox browser engine 5 years top before Mozilla becomes Chromium based. Servo WAS meant to be the future had Mozilla continued to fund its development, there is no way around that fact. Yes, it was experimental, but so where every other browser engines/forks when they started. Mozilla lost a lot of goodwill when they fired Servo team and most of the Rust developers.

Re: Google Chrome to remove detailed cookie and site data controls

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Just fyi, you can delete individual cookies in the developer tools.

> Just fyi, you can delete individual cookies in the developer tools. While I very much agree with the point you're making, I can count on one hand (with fingers to spare) the number of family members I have who know what the developer tools even are, and that's because I showed them when troubleshooting an issue they were having. They aren't going to learn or remember how to access the dev tools to manage cookies, b…

I have never known anyone to need to delete an individual cookie vs all for a site. Certainly I've never needed that.

Only time I have (probably ever) deleted an individual cookie was for testing during development, and in those cases I already use the dev tools to do so.

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