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Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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Right? I’ve built an extension exactly to do that, index and search on content. I bookmark many things and never organize it, so search is a must

I want a personal search engine that considers images, docs, and websites I've been to. "Shit, I was reading something about write ahead logs; where was that..." or "there was a funny picture of a guy with a bar of soap I saw 6mo ago that I want to share now."

Long time ago I made a proxy service that did that (2004 or so). The idea was that it logged everything you visited and then you could search your own logs. I used it for a few years but sadly nobody else really did. I think I actually wrote it in C of all things.

It optionally worked in combination with a browser plugin that did a tree view that showed a true navigation history (one site could have many children). So you could find the site and the context and the time you saw it and trace back the multi-path journey you took.

I have no idea where the code is. Probably some old cvs repo somewhere.

Wouldn't be of much use now since everything is https. Back then my inability to log https was the "method" to make sure that I didn't log anything sensitive such as banking details because only that stuff was in https at the time.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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The person writing this is confusing their personal opinion for objective UX fact. It is commonly accepted that only highly organized users use features like tags. The vast majority of people simply don't. Rather than jumping to the conclusion that this is hostile it's possible Chrome and Docs just have a wider user-base than this particular author.

I don't even think it's about organization, more aesthetic sensibilities. Why would anyone want to have special folder icons? "Because it looks nice" is the only possibility that occurs to me. I probably have over 1000 bookmarks myself, but I can't think of why I would want to "tag" a bookmark. Tags can be useful for finding new content, but if I bookmark a sit I probably know enough about it that I wouldn;t benefit…

> if I bookmark a site I probably know enough about it that I wouldn't benefit from a tag.

The gulf between this and my own use of bookmarks is so, so vast.

I bookmark because I want to have something as a reference, or come back to it later (especially "bookmark all tabs").

I often think "Maybe I bookmarked this thing that I remember a few details of... hope those details are in the title, or that I happen to recognize the title!"

I often find that I've bookmarked the same site or page multiple times, because when I ran across it, I couldn't easily notice that I already had it saved.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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The same goes for Google Photos. Instead of providing folders and other organisational features known for human kind for thousands of years, Google removes them. But not only to use search for pleasure. It is also to train their neural networks maybe?

We have to become compulsive hoarders, to train a bot that will help us find things, we could put in the right place in the first place.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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I’m honestly very okay with this “search-first” mentality the author claims Google promotes.

I’ve never organized my photos anymore thanks to Google Photos amazing search, no more time wasted organizing windows media player albums like in the old times thanks to Spotify, I never organize my notes on Notes app but can always find old stuff, my Google Drive is a bit more organized but still I basically go by recent items or search all the time

I think we are just so overwhelmed with information nowadays it’s impossible to keep organizing it, why not let machines just find what we want?

Now I do agree that browsers search on bookmarks sucks, and I like a lot to bookmark everything so I can find it later, building my own personal index, to solve that I built an extension that crawls my bookmarks and allows me to search better on them later (it’s called Cataloger if you are interested)

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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There is tons if options to find files on macOS: the find command, spotlight, search in the finder, hierarchical view in the finder. Which popular OS has a better system than that?

The search on MacOS is unusable for me. It always surfaces wrong/irrelevant things and defaults to searching in the oddest places.

I have to agree with this. The search in macos is really broken. There are so many problems with it. It could be so much better but they havent improved it in years. Even using Alfred i dont get what i want sometimes. Maybe its because alfred is using spotlight indexes? I’d have to look it up.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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> it very nearly caused 2 accidents for me this weekend This wouldn't have been accidental, it would have been fully your own fault for negligence. I'll fully admit this is a pedantic tangent but it's been long acknowledged that "accident" is a problematic word to describe vehicle crashes because it minimizes the agency of a driver and intentional decision making processes that lead up to a crash (for instance, using…

> it's been long acknowledged that "accident" is a problematic word to describe vehicle crashes because it minimizes the agency of a driver and intentional decision making processes that lead up to a crash I seem to recall that this was intentional, to improve acceptance of motor vehicles in the early days. Certainly the way laws are written, there is quite a high bar before an "accident" brings the kinds of criminal…

> I seem to recall that this was intentional, to improve acceptance of motor vehicles in the early days.

The link I shared previously (Fonseca, 2020) mentions this:

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Why do we talk about crashes like this? It didn't happen by accident.

You may know the history of how early carmakers turned "jaywalking" — a term initially meant to shame pedestrians out of the street — into an actual crime. But the emerging auto industry also had a hand in influencing how the public perceived fatal collisions.

In the early days of the automobile, reckless drivers were killing pedestrians, mostly women and children, at alarming rates. Newspaper coverage in the 1910s and '20s painted drivers as "remorseless murderers" and angry mobs reportedly dragged drivers involved in fatal collisions from their cars.

So the industry went into damage control, with one national auto industry group even creating a free wire service for newspapers, which incentivized reporters to send in basic details of a traffic collision in return for a full, ready-to-publish article. What a thoughtful convenience! Except, unsurprisingly, the narrative in those articles largely shifted the blame to pedestrians and used the term "accident" to describe crashes, which helped embed the term in the minds of news readers across the nation.

In the face of the rising death toll, a 1926 editorial in The New Republic titled "The Murderous Motor" proclaimed: "...much of the present waste of life is inevitable and will continue no matter what preventive measures are taken."

Imagine if outlets today were publishing stories about data privacy from a free wire service run by Facebook, Google or Uber. That's essentially the ethical breach many newspapers allowed back in the '20s and '30s — and the echoes and effects can still be seen in news stories today.

The auto industry exploited the power of the press because its leaders understood that language and perspective (and growing ad revenue) can shift culture — and recent scientific research backs that up.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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The person writing this is confusing their personal opinion for objective UX fact. It is commonly accepted that only highly organized users use features like tags. The vast majority of people simply don't. Rather than jumping to the conclusion that this is hostile it's possible Chrome and Docs just have a wider user-base than this particular author.

Dave Lynam (the person) is totally correct. Stripping organisational features is against UX.

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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The person writing this is confusing their personal opinion for objective UX fact. It is commonly accepted that only highly organized users use features like tags. The vast majority of people simply don't. Rather than jumping to the conclusion that this is hostile it's possible Chrome and Docs just have a wider user-base than this particular author.

It’s absurd to think that any and all suggestions mentioned here won’t be continually coming up in feedback or testing sessions. Is it more likely that Google have negligent designers, or they design for business goals?

Re: Why Google's bookmark manager and Docs have purposefully bad UI

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post #94

I’m honestly very okay with this “search-first” mentality the author claims Google promotes. I’ve never organized my photos anymore thanks to Google Photos amazing search, no more time wasted organizing windows media player albums like in the old times thanks to Spotify, I never organize my notes on Notes app but can always find old stuff, my Google Drive is a bit more organized but still I basically go by recent ite…

Nice, but please tell how am I supposed to search for bookmarks I made in japanese section of xvideos?

we are just so overwhelmed with information nowadays it’s impossible to keep organizing it, why not let machines just find what we want whenever we need them

Then you don’t need bookmarks. You bookmark for a reason, and one of these is that you may not remember exact wording and use other cues like when you did it, what was around, how it looked like on a thumbnail.

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