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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by rocqua »

mastazi wrote: post #17

I'm Italian and I speak Spanish and Portuguese relatively fluently. Using the term "Latinx" in my opinion is a form of cultural appropriation, because it imposes a way of using grammatical gender that is typical of the English language (think e.g. about the "singular they") upon neo-latin languages where the perception of grammatical gender is very different. In neo-latin languages such as Italian or Spanish, grammat…

I don't think its cultural appropriation. It's not like people saying that are adapting features from latin people and adding it to their own culture. In fact, it is sort of the opposite. It is people forcing the latin culture into their own framework. Not sure how to term that, but not at all cultural appropriation.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by _lqaf »

rocqua wrote: post #51
blacktriangle wrote: post #39

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I often hear people I dismiss directly mention cultural marxism. But I have never seen an explanation of what cultural marxism is. Could you enlighten me?

So, in terms of intellectual thought, there was a strain of thought referred to as the Frankfurt School that discussed a thing they called 'cultural Marxism'. Some of that discussion was about what we'd now think of as PR/propaganda - promoting socialist/Marxist thought.

In terms of right wing PR/propaganda, it is another example of them following a specific playbook to redefine a term to mean what they want it to mean. 'Critical Race Theory' is the current example of this; 'political correctness' was another. Remember when they were shouting about Saul Alinsky? Well, that was because the playbook is largely derived from his writings - specifically, the tactic described as 'Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.'

So there you are. Depending on your politics, it was a strain of Marxist intellectual thought in the 1930s, or just another cudgel in the culture wars.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by sokoloff »

hdhjebebeb wrote: post #73
sokoloff wrote: post #32

> some people from underrepresented backgrounds have said they continue to feel unwelcome in the tech industry, and they also remain high in demand elsewhere as companies compete to increase diversity. This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps, but it seems like many policies which seek to boost individual company population ratios to be significantly higher than the comparable tech-industry ratios are prone…

Isn't this the free market at work? How would all the companies collude to collectively bring in more marginalized people? It's like saying "I want higher wages but I don't think one company raising wages will achieve that". The companies are competing because that's the system they exist in - some of that competition will be zero-sum, but according to arch capitalists some of it will be a net positive

> How would all the companies collude to collectively bring in more marginalized people?

Supporting pipeline programs (middle and high school education, summer programs, internship programs, bootcamps and other career-change programs, etc.) seems to be the obvious paths for companies to exert lasting positive influence on the industry and world.

Sure, there's some fringe backlash when some company supports a program that is targeted at underrepresented groups, but I think that's the way to create lasting change.

Unfortunately, it doesn't move the needle on D&I OKRs this quarter or next. Poaching from someone else is the fastest way to move a key result metric.

"Show me the incentives and I'll show you the outcome."

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by tester34 »

l33t2328 wrote: post #20
vmception wrote: post #2

> The company nearly doubled the number of Black+ people in U.S. leadership to 7.1% last year It’s cool they’ve been able to find qualified people, taking a long time to fill those roles but very nice they are doing it! They will more adequately address additional markets with this talent gravitational pull. What is the percentage of Black+ in the population? The US census doesn’t have a + section, so we can deduce t…

Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts. That would make achieving 12% leadership particularly difficult, since black people are on average less qualified(on paper, at least) relative to applicants from other races.

>Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts.

but why? end exams are standarized and in my opinion fair

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Post by psychometry »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #82
rocqua wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often hear people I dismiss directly mention cultural marxism. But I have never seen an explanation of what cultural marxism is. Could you enlighten me?

Cultural Marxism is a revolutionary leftist idea that traditional culture is the source of oppression in the modern world. Cultural Marxism is often linked to an insistence upon political correctness, multiculturalism, and perpetual attacks on the foundations of culture: the nuclear family, marriage, patriotism, traditional morality, law and order, etc. Cultural Marxists are assumed to be committed to establishing ec…

Where'd you come up with that definition? MTJ's Twitter?

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by eric4smith »

Unpopular opinion…

Could it be that women (in general) want something more in life than working in a big company for a nice wage?

Study after study after study show that women want families and other things other than the standard mega corporation employment that society has trained us to expect.

I’d bet if one looked at the numbers one would see that women as a whole are leaving google and other companies just as much as black women.

And it’s not about google. It’s just about people wanting something different that working in a mega corporation.

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by Bayart »

kaycebasques wrote: post #33
mastazi wrote: post #17

I'm Italian and I speak Spanish and Portuguese relatively fluently. Using the term "Latinx" in my opinion is a form of cultural appropriation, because it imposes a way of using grammatical gender that is typical of the English language (think e.g. about the "singular they") upon neo-latin languages where the perception of grammatical gender is very different. In neo-latin languages such as Italian or Spanish, grammat…

I have studied Spanish and am currently studying Portuguese (my partner is Brazilian) and I think about this a lot. I would take the other side of the bet here. I would bet that this deeply ingrained gendering of objects does show up elsewhere and influence attitudes. Surely there have been studies on this? Of course I respect your experience as a native speaker and the fact that you know more native speakers than I…

My understanding of historical linguistics is that gendering in Indo-European languages has its roots in animate vs inanimate objects, with a feminine category splitting later on from the animate category (possibly as a way to distinguish singular from collective initially, before being retrofitted to « female » things later on).

Add on nouns shifting meaning over time and you've got a relationship between grammar and sex that is extremely loose. I'd take any notion that it « influences attitude » with extreme carefulness.

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