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Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by ceilingcorner »

hallway_monitor wrote: post #66
indigochill wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the reason for the attrition. I'm a white dude but work in a foreign country (also predominantly white). For the most part I'm just "one of the guys". I only really feel like an outsider when corporate policy dictates we have to talk about cultural sensitivity towards foreigners and I happen to be the only foreigner in the room. For people of different races, I assume this feeling is switched on practically all…

I don't understand it. I've never been in the minority where I live but this is how I imagine it feels being in a group that is being singled out for some reason or another. Every person is a completely unique individual and focusing on things like skin color just seem insane to me. Why not focus on the fact that we are 99.9% the same but have different experiences which make us valuable and interesting.

Old tactic: divide and conquer. If people stopped bickering about race, they’d quickly realize their economic class similarities, leading to things like unionization. BigCo can’t allow this, for obvious reasons.

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Post by vcavallo »

danielrpa wrote: post #55

I happen to be very familiar with Google's diversity efforts and have many Black and Latinx friends and acquaintances in the company. Google is one of the most racially inclusive tech companies in the world. It really tries hard to fix historical disparities between races in ways that you don't see in most companies, ranging from very active promotion of minorities to programs dedicated to hiring them. The interview…

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Post by hdhjebebeb »

sokoloff wrote: post #32

> some people from underrepresented backgrounds have said they continue to feel unwelcome in the tech industry, and they also remain high in demand elsewhere as companies compete to increase diversity. This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps, but it seems like many policies which seek to boost individual company population ratios to be significantly higher than the comparable tech-industry ratios are prone…

Isn't this the free market at work? How would all the companies collude to collectively bring in more marginalized people? It's like saying "I want higher wages but I don't think one company raising wages will achieve that". The companies are competing because that's the system they exist in - some of that competition will be zero-sum, but according to arch capitalists some of it will be a net positive

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Post by techbrobane »

minikites wrote: post #48

Curious that most of the comments here are attacking the choice of language instead of engaging with any of the actual reasons this is happening.

The top voted comment is some guy saying that he knows a few romance languages and he isn't bothered by gendered pronouns. That's the depth of HN.

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Post by sidlls »

mastazi wrote: post #17

I'm Italian and I speak Spanish and Portuguese relatively fluently. Using the term "Latinx" in my opinion is a form of cultural appropriation, because it imposes a way of using grammatical gender that is typical of the English language (think e.g. about the "singular they") upon neo-latin languages where the perception of grammatical gender is very different. In neo-latin languages such as Italian or Spanish, grammat…

Oh, absolutely. The appearance of "x" instead of the "a" or "o" is an immediate signal of someone who is trying to signal wokeness, but isn't actually.

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Post by lm28469 »

noutella wrote: post #47

How incredibly weird is it to witness American schizophrenia* when it comes to races (and gender) from a non-american perspective. "Black+", "Latinx+", "LGBTTQQIAAP". Putting people in smaller and smaller box in the name of equality and diversity. I am the only one to feel this is coming to an absurd point ? I'm not an alt-right fan, nor would I vote Republican if I could, I'm a leftist in what's considered a traditi…

In the quest for universalism they're splitting the population in an ever increasing number of sub groups, the irony is lost on them I guess.

In my country it happens on both side of the spectrum, they're just instrumentalised differently, I don't think it's a left vs right thing

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Post by rocqua »

sokoloff wrote: post #32

> some people from underrepresented backgrounds have said they continue to feel unwelcome in the tech industry, and they also remain high in demand elsewhere as companies compete to increase diversity. This is dangerous territory to comment on perhaps, but it seems like many policies which seek to boost individual company population ratios to be significantly higher than the comparable tech-industry ratios are prone…

A problem I have heard female friends speculate about is with promoting women in higher positions. If the female population is too low, and you try to get them into higher positions, two effects occur according to this theory.

First of all, with a low female population there probably aren't enough proven and qualified women to fill the desired number of slots. This leads to imposter syndrome / worry about people thinking "she only has this position because of gender". It also leads to these women sometimes doing poorer jobs, just because there aren't enough qualified women in the company to fill those positions.

Secondly, you drain the lower rungs of the company from women. This leads to under-representation in the lower rungs. Meaning fewer women getting the training time one needs to properly move up the ladder. It also means a dearth of female perspective on the lower rungs. Hurting both diversity of views, and the culture. That second point makes the company less attractive to women trying to enter the company, which perpetuates the problem.

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Post by 0xy »

reportingsjr wrote: post #67
0xy wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3% of Hispanics use the term, and an overwhelming majority believe it should never be used to describe them. [1] Honestly it's disgusting it's still in use. When does it be come a slur given it's used against a population against their wishes? [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in...

To play devil's advocate here (I don't personally care one way or another what hispanic people are typically called), I don't think polling sentiment is necessarily a good indicator of something's morality. For reference, 75% of polled people in the US disapproved of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in the year he was assassinated. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-martin-luther-kin... If we go by your logic of p…

Are you implying it's okay to call a class of people a term which they explicitly do not want you to use against them?

What sets this apart from a racial slur apart from a marginal difference in support?

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Post by blacktriangle »

rocqua wrote: post #51
blacktriangle wrote: post #39

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I often hear people I dismiss directly mention cultural marxism. But I have never seen an explanation of what cultural marxism is. Could you enlighten me?

Marx wrote about a theory of history in which all of history progresses through phases in which each phase is defined by struggle between classes. His view was that communism was the inevitable end of this model of history in that communism would finally resolve the class struggle. But for somebody who wishes to promote communism, the problem is if there is no class struggle, then history does not advance to their desired end state.

The original formulation of Marxism was economic, based on the struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie. This conflict worked to create communist revolutions in nations with more feudalistic systems like Tzarist Russia. However Communists have struggled to create revolution in more Democratic societies with greater social mobility, or at least the perceived possibility of.

So failing to get the economic class consciousness to trigger a revolution, the modern Marxist has moved on to pushing race/culture based class consciousness as the trigger for their revolution. This is why todays Marxist is not obsessed with rich and poor but white vs black vs hispanic.

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Post by curiousgal »

CydeWeys wrote: post #25

The elephant in the room is the ouster of Timnit Gebru. Regardless of who you think was in the wrong there, a lot of people who left did so because they thought Google was in the wrong, and left in solidarity or maybe even because they thought they might be next for being similarly outspoken.

I think it's super hypocritical to be well paid a company while also trash talking them on Twitter. I wouldn't call that being outspoken.
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