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Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by faitswulff »

rvz wrote: post #9

> There's undeniable excitement for the next generation of AArch64 hardware to see how much further that this can go. This is what I am looking forward to. In the case for Apple Silicon, the next generation will be even better and is not far off from announcing the newer processors that will supersede M1 in WWDC. The M1 only shows what's possible for Apple Silicon and the newer generation of ARM-based Macs will impre…

Your comment made me realize I’m waiting for the next generation Apple Silicon SoC as a second data point. Even if I don’t buy it, it will tell us something about the expected performance trajectory.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by saagarjha »

wffurr wrote: post #53
easton wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the link: "Preliminary testing on iOS 14 seems to indicate that Apple has changed the kernel so that this trick no longer works." This is why the iPad needs a way to disable SIP (and the additional security features) just like the Mac. I could give a heck about the iPhone, to be honest, there's maybe one time in my life being able to JIT Python or whatever would've been useful on my phone. But they advertise the…

Huh! They removed that hack in iOS 14 but added “extended virtual addressing entitlement” in iOS 14.2 that allows this for real! https://9to5mac.com/2020/11/06/ios-14-2-brings-jit-compilati...

Extended virtual addressing is exactly what it sounds like: you get more virtual memory, not the ability to JIT. The technique mentioned in that blog post is no longer possible.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by danShumway »

api wrote: post #52
fooqux wrote: post #44

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> many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers And many of us do . I would never buy a locked-down piece of hardware like that. But I don't think it matters either way what either side wants, because it's what Apple wants that matters. They want to keep their walled garden's walls air tight, and there are apparently enough people that are OK living in that garden that it works. I'm positive tha…

> Google did a similar calculus, with a different set of values (if not an entirely different set of variables altogether) and came up with a different answer. Their answer isn't openness, it's surveillance. Google is a surveillance driven ad company.

I'm not sure I understand how FDroid makes it easier for Google to survey me.

I don't see how Google, which controls the default apps, which can give them whatever privileges it wants at an OS-level, needs an Open platform to monitor me. If anything, wouldn't Google have more incentive than iOS to lock the platform down, since it doesn't want the competition from apps like Facebook that are competing in the same data-driven ad space?

Edit: Not sure why people are taking offense at this. Google doesn't need the web to be open, that's a talking point that comes up every time we talk about Chrome -- Google only needs its own ad network to function. Android is the same; why does Google need Android to be Open? They don't need the ability to sideload apps. Google Maps is installed by default, all of their apps are contractually required to be installed by default if you want access to the Play Store. If Google removed the ability to sideload today, none of their apps would get removed from your phone.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by phh »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #75
philistine wrote: post #42

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It’s undeniable that a whole class of ARM software was prevented from even being conceived because it has to pass the App Store’s Byzantine set of rules. On the other hand, I see so many software developers vehemently refuse to notarize their Mac versions. Notarization is far less egregious and it pains me to see so many straight up refuse to even consider it as an alternative to the iron grip of the App Store.

Really? I find this hard to believe, because if this was true, why doesn’t Android have a bunch of unique apps that couldn’t exist on iPhone? Yes, Android does have some apps that can’t exist on iPhone, but I wouldn’t say that most people find them compelling or care about them. Those that do already have Android.

Except emulators and actual web browsers you mean?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by saagarjha »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #75
philistine wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s undeniable that a whole class of ARM software was prevented from even being conceived because it has to pass the App Store’s Byzantine set of rules. On the other hand, I see so many software developers vehemently refuse to notarize their Mac versions. Notarization is far less egregious and it pains me to see so many straight up refuse to even consider it as an alternative to the iron grip of the App Store.

Really? I find this hard to believe, because if this was true, why doesn’t Android have a bunch of unique apps that couldn’t exist on iPhone? Yes, Android does have some apps that can’t exist on iPhone, but I wouldn’t say that most people find them compelling or care about them. Those that do already have Android.

Android hardware is not very compelling as of late. Nor are the users, to be entirely honest.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by smichel17 »

shsizbz wrote: post #74
fartcannon wrote: post #54

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You don't have to fuck around with it! You CAN just use it like a regular locked down device, and throw it into a landfill when youre done. The rest of us can get on with using the otherwise wasted power of all these tiny computers. Think of the waste caused by Apples profiteering.

Im posting this comment on an iPhone SE (1st gen) I got in mid 2016. I still get OS updates, not just security patches. Whats that about Apple waste? Its people that waste and drive waste. Id love it if I could load my own OS and do whatever on this little phone, but only if iOS itself was still locked up. I dont need to add even more worry about the safety of my “phone” (really portfolio of everything Ive done since…

Many years ago, Apple removed all apps for the 1st gen iPod touch from the app store, with no warning. I found out about this when I did a factory reset (ironically, this was to un-jailbreak my iPod touch, since the jailbreak slowed it down a little and I wasn't using any of its features). Imagine my surprise and frustration when all the apps I was using moments before - Spotify, Fruit Ninja, Opera Mini (the only browser that was acceptably fast on that device) - were suddenly gone with no recourse.. except to upgrade. Which I did -- away from an ecosystem where a company has that kind of control over me.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by flutas »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #83
tw04 wrote: post #81

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>Now you can argue these restrictions are unreasonable but many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers. It seems to me a rather simple fix: give users an "unrestricted mode" just like Android has the ability to install from third party. By default keep it locked down, but allow the USER to make that decision, with ample warnings all over the place about what they're about to do. Heck, for all…

If you do that, guess what Fortnite would do right now. Guess what Facebook would do to get around Apple’s privacy restrictions right now. Guess what a ex-boyfriend would do right now to install a blocked spying app. For better or worse, the App Store being the exclusive way into the iPhone forces third parties to deal. Otherwise, they just tell the user to make the choice for them. If you even listen to interviews w…

> Guess what Facebook would do to get around Apple’s privacy restrictions right now.

You mean the privacy features built in to the OS?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by realusername »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #66
fooqux wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many of us don’t want our iPads or iPhones to be like our computers And many of us do . I would never buy a locked-down piece of hardware like that. But I don't think it matters either way what either side wants, because it's what Apple wants that matters. They want to keep their walled garden's walls air tight, and there are apparently enough people that are OK living in that garden that it works. I'm positive tha…

Like everything in technology, you have a choice. If you want openness at the expense of security and privacy, you can purchase an Android or Windows device. If you want security and privacy more than openness, you buy an iPhone. The Hacker News crowd is unique in that we want to have our cake and eat it too by making the iPhone work more like Android and expressing outrage that such a choice exists. So even though I…

What if you got a used phone or tablet though? Are you just supposed to throw it away to the trash and get another one because the manufacturer doesn't approve you using it? And what about devices which aren't supported anymore?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by floatboth »

> [mapping memory WX] hasn't been forbidden on any of the prior platforms that Dolphin supports

Well, rarely completely forbidden, but e.g. I think OpenBSD has been W^X by default for quite some time (though IIRC with a WX allowed flag per… FS mount?). Now on FreeBSD it's not default but it's there, and if you turn it on, you have to mark WX-mapping binaries by running `elfctl -e +wxneeded`.

Firefox actually became W^X compliant all the way back in 2015: https://jandemooij.nl/blog/wx-jit-code-enabled-in-firefox/

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

flutas wrote: post #97
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do that, guess what Fortnite would do right now. Guess what Facebook would do to get around Apple’s privacy restrictions right now. Guess what a ex-boyfriend would do right now to install a blocked spying app. For better or worse, the App Store being the exclusive way into the iPhone forces third parties to deal. Otherwise, they just tell the user to make the choice for them. If you even listen to interviews w…

> Guess what Facebook would do to get around Apple’s privacy restrictions right now. You mean the privacy features built in to the OS?

Some privacy features are in the OS, but others aren’t. For example, Facebook probably doesn’t like having users see the privacy label in the App Store. It’s kind of embarrassing. Also, if Facebook could sideload, they could use restricted APIs and entitlements that the App Store would not permit.
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