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I wonder whether old and long-lasting communities that depend on Freenode (eg. #linux or #openbsd) are going to switch to the new network.
Much more so than other frameworks du jour.
I also wonder if that will move.
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> Fewer clients It does work decently on my phone though. > the identity server is centralized Is that really a downside? I don't know a single newcomer who found authenticating with "Nickserv" was a natural thing to do.
At the same time, people used IRC because you could remain anonymous (with IP leakage being the only real issue). Matrix seems like a FBI honeypot asking you for email and phone number.
Edit: Though I believe that matrix.org requires an e-mail address nowadays. But most homeservers don't.
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"they can keep track of your phone number or email address and map it to your Matrix ID" Damn. Fuck that. My phone number and email is none of their business. It's so dispiriting to see every form of communication on the internet moving to ever more spying on their users.
The Matrix identity server system is entirely optional to use, and basically a separate system from the rest of Matrix. The reason for that is that there's not really any way to implement that specific feature in a decentralized way, so they did the next best thing by making it a centralized server that you can choose to use (opt-in) in case you want people to be able to find your Matrix ID based on your phone number…
So there are no channels on Matrix that require you to identify yourself before you can join?
If this leads to a mass exodus from Freenode, it'll probably significantly reduce overall IRC usage. Communities will fracture, people will set up random splinter networks that will die off in a few months, and lots of open-source projects that already want to be using something Javascripty like Slack or Discord are going to use this as the motivating thing to make the switch. Personally I'm staying put on Freenode b…
How many would move to Matrix?
I submitted this link under the title "freenode IRC network purchased by VPN company PIA" back in 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14101538 it hit the top of the front page, and people complained about my use of the word "purchased" (including freenode staff now that seem to be extremely upset...): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14102030 needless to say the title was edited...
Why did people object? Because "purchased" makes it legitimate?
I had not used IRC in a long time, just checked libera.chat... it doesn't work ("software caused connection abort")
I submitted this link under the title "freenode IRC network purchased by VPN company PIA" back in 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14101538 it hit the top of the front page, and people complained about my use of the word "purchased" (including freenode staff now that seem to be extremely upset...): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14102030 needless to say the title was edited...
Why did people object? Because "purchased" makes it legitimate?
Pointing the entire community to a new server (ircs://irc.libera.chat/) is going to cause a huge disruption, maybe destroy the community altogether. I can't help but wonder if there's no better way. What a tragedy.
IRC seems like drama central. I can’t say I understand the detail of this takeover and split. But the tone of all the messages are very dramatic. Why is that? Is it something inherent in the aggregated community of mods, channels and servers? Some communities seem ripe for drama and I have no idea why.
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Why did people object? Because "purchased" makes it legitimate?
Not fully up on the controversy, but I suspect because it implied the "freenode IRC network" is something that can be "owned" - when it's more complicated than that. (A company can be owned, legally, sure, but an ongoing-set-of-relationships, & mostly-volunteer processes, is usually something more than property with neat property-title.)