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Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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Re: Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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> Would it be smarter as a murderer-for-hire to ask to be paid in a less-expensive (for now) but growing currency such as Etherium or Litecoin? No, because the efficient market hypothesis. If you know that some asset is definitely going to significantly appreciate in value why don't you just buy it and skip out the hitman thing? The answer is that almost noone has any better idea of what the correct price should be t…

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Re: Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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Don't need darkweb for that if you're very careful with how you execute trades on https://localbitcoins.com/ (a service that I believe predates coinbase, circle et al) Usually, one'd use a coin like Monero instead, the project's wretched history notwithstanding.

What is wretched about Monero's history?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monero#History

Re: Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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I mean pragmatically not abstractly. Bitcoin transaction fees were >$50 recently, so it's useless as a form of payment, and nothing is keeping it from being worthless tomorrow so it's a poor parking spot for money.

Pragmatically, I can buy things online without having to give up my name and address. That's a win for me.

... if they are physical items how do you get them?

Re: Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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There's this misconception that bitcoin is private / "safe" for criminals. In reality, the block chain is public (and all of its transactions inside... that is how distributed ledger consensus is achieved among miners) and the on-ramps and off-ramps between fiat are all logged / tracked, especially Coinbase (since they are taking the "safe route" and playing by all of the rules with governments / regulators). Your la…

> There's this misconception that bitcoin is private / "safe" for criminals. Is this why we've successfully caught every single ransomware operation transacting in crypto?

Do you have a source for that claim?

Re: Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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Publish the addresses, and criminal use of Bitcoin will end immediately. Offer bitcoin address clemency, and the criminals will be delivered on a silver platter by whomever they cashed out with.

Yes; I realize the dystopian possibilities. But if we trust law enforcement, and we believe that the laws are and will always be just, then we should want to help them.

Either way, it’s already happening in secret. The question is really whether it should happen in the open.

Re: Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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> There's this misconception that bitcoin is private / "safe" for criminals. Is this why we've successfully caught every single ransomware operation transacting in crypto?

To be fair, you have to look at the enormous number of ransomware operators that are conducting their business in fiat... Humm. I suppose that there aren't very many of them. Perhaps cryptocurrencies do make some forms of criminal enterprises much easier to operate. I'm willing to accept that 'Hitman for hire' might not be one of them, though - mostly because you need a local presence, at which point, taking payment…

Cash requires a known location and/or time, and may involve the client seeing your face if face-to-face trades are made.

You still need to be local to perform the assassination, but the time and location are still vague. It's basically "somewhere the person will be at some point in the future". Makes it a lot harder to stage a sting because you can't have people set up everywhere that person will be at all times.

We're also not terribly far away from remote assassinations being possible. There was an assassination in Iran that allegedly used a computer to control a machine gun to kill someone. Combine that with a self-driving car, or a remotely operated car, and you've got a hitman mobile. Or the cheap and low-tech route, strapping explosives to drones. The cartels have already started using them, so it's not improbable that you could pilot one across the world. Pay the cartel to set up a drone and give you the credentials to control it and you don't even have to leave your home.

> It would be quite difficult to operate a ransomware operation out of, say, Belarus if you expected your victims to pay by posting you envelopes stuffed with cash.

I don't think that's really true. At the scale of money we're talking about, hiring a courier to handcuff the money to their wrist and fly across the world wouldn't be an excessive cost. The primary downside is the same; there's a known location where the money will be left and picked up.

Re: Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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Bitcoin's usefulness comes from being able to transact value without a centralized authority. There are no gatekeepers to determine who can transact with whom, to assign value to a medium, or to take that value away. It is democratization of financial power.

I mean pragmatically not abstractly. Bitcoin transaction fees were >$50 recently, so it's useless as a form of payment, and nothing is keeping it from being worthless tomorrow so it's a poor parking spot for money.

The main advantage is avoiding the traditional financial systems, as you note. One use of that is to launder money, as you note. Other uses include paying for illegal things (drugs, child pornography, or in some countries run of the mill goods that are banned), or as a parking spot for money when your other options are even worse. I.e. there probably isn't a worse spot to put your money than in Venezuela's currency; despite Bitcoin's instability, it's unlikely to deflate faster than Venezuelan currency. You can also use it to move currency around. I've heard that wealthy Chinese people use it as a vehicle to get money out of China, but I'm not terribly well-versed in that.

Re: Man used Coinbase to pay hitman in Bitcoin for wife's murder, FBI says

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monero#History

What is wretched in there?

As with any "anonymity" tech (like Tor and the Dark Web), Monero is linked with all sorts of things. I, personally, feel uneasy investing in / using Monero because of that, especially since it isn't also a stable coin.

I can see a lot of value in it though, just like how I see value in Freenet, I2P, Tor and other such overlay networks.

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