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Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by lorenzhs »

_nalply wrote: post #89
gumby wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). These are common in many languages. Even in England: Weston-super-Mare is just latin for "Weston by (literally "over") the sea". And constructs like "Stratford-upon-Avon" (to disambiguate from other Stratfords) are pretty common in most places; consider " Frankfurt am Main " and " Frankfurt an der Oder " all of which specify that their town is th…

One example in Bernese Oberland I like: There's a ski resort Lenk. People say they live «in the Lenk» or they travel «to the Lenk». In German you have to know that the genus of «Lenk» is femimine and use the dative or the accusative: «in der Lenk» or «zur Lenk». That's very weird but even to me omitting the article and preposition sounds wrong. By the way «to the» is contracted from the long for «zu der» to «zur». Co…

It's the same with some countries' names. Switzerland always has a female article in German: you can spend your vacation in France ("in Frankreich") but Switzerland requires an article ("in der Schweiz"). Same with Iran and Iraq, which always require a male article, and some plural countries (Netherlands, US). Note that the full list is quite a bit longer: https://deutschtraining.org/deutsche-grammatik/artikel/laend...

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Post by drcursor »

dmix wrote: post #12

You have to love the s/weird/unusual [1] names of places in the UK (and it looks like a beautiful area from the small picture): > Tintern, in the Wye Valley, Monmouthshire There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). Not just the England but seems just as common in Scotland, or even more common. I can imagine the early computer systems of the postal organization having to deal with these quir…

Relevant Tom Scott video about Hill Hill Hill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUyXiiIGDTo

Re: Tintern 'secret' medieval tunnel system found by accident

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Post by XiJInPaddington »

DavidAdams wrote: post #18

It's funny that this showed up at HN, but I'm personally interested because one of my ancestors, Aoife MacMurrough, was buried at Tintern Abbey. Her daughter and son-in-law, Isabel de Clare and William Marshal, were big time patrons of the abbey. If you're ever in Eastern Wales, the ruins are a pretty spot to visit.

It's extremely rad that you can trace your ancestry back 1000 years. I guess I don't have much else to add besides that, but I'm someone whose knowledge of their ancestry stops 2 generations up so I'm kind of in awe by that fact. 1000 years!

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Post by tigershark »

toyg wrote: post #69
gumby wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). These are common in many languages. Even in England: Weston-super-Mare is just latin for "Weston by (literally "over") the sea". And constructs like "Stratford-upon-Avon" (to disambiguate from other Stratfords) are pretty common in most places; consider " Frankfurt am Main " and " Frankfurt an der Oder " all of which specify that their town is th…

> These are common in many languages. Yup. There are plenty of them in Italy, we don't use dashes but there are various towns with generic prefixes and suffixes. Reggio Emilia and Reggio Calabria were just "regium", Latin for region or town, and at some point they gained the extra name (which refers to the wider area) to differentiate them. Near my hometown we have Casalecchio di Reno, which means "bunch of houses ov…

Reggio Calabria Italian name comes from the Greek name Rhegion. It was founded by Greek colonists pretty much at the same time as the foundation of Rome. Reggio Emilia name comes from the Latin regium.

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Post by pja »

musikele wrote: post #95

The electric company has to stop the work for years until they fully study the discovery... Welcome to Italy where this stuff happens all the time

Nah, they’ll just put the pole somewhere else. This isn’t like central London with thousands of years of archaeology piled up on top of each other.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

aaron695 wrote: post #55
Uhhrrr wrote: post #42

The article doesn't say how they know it's medieval.

I looks more recent. Especially the long beams on the roof. Like a sewer. I guess an aqueduct makes the most sense.

Yes, it looked like a culvert, I thought the mention of a nearby parallel water stream was trying to intimate a relationship. Perhaps someone built a culvert but it got blocked and the stream diverted away?

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Post by cschmidt »

dmix wrote: post #12

You have to love the s/weird/unusual [1] names of places in the UK (and it looks like a beautiful area from the small picture): > Tintern, in the Wye Valley, Monmouthshire There's also plenty of "upon the"s and "x-in-y" (ie: Henly-in-Arden). Not just the England but seems just as common in Scotland, or even more common. I can imagine the early computer systems of the postal organization having to deal with these quir…

I've always liked that some houses in the UK have names rather than street numbers. Our Christmas card list includes "Sunnydale", "Lane Ends", and "The Old Rectory". The Royal mail computers must be pretty quirky indeed.

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Post by dugmartin »

mstade wrote: post #59
bluGill wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't know why this construct is uncommon in the USA. In the US we use a comma. Buffalo, NY - as opposed to Buffalo in any other state. (MN, TX, and WI each have a city of buffalo - perhaps more, that is where I stopped searching). States in the US tend to be very careful about not allowing duplication of names so this is enough for the most part.

Hollywood, FL, gets me every time. :o)

How about Florida, MA?
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