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Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

sneak wrote: post #16
vbezhenar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good approach. Country must be able to control content served to their citizens. And that ruling should not be extended to other countries. Citizens can either elect different president or use VPN.

Why should any person, elected or otherwise, be permitted to decide what another adult human being is allowed to read?

Because “rights” aren’t real, but power is. Rights are whatever you can take by force or negotiation from the strongmen who want to run your life.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by hnarn »

alienalp wrote: post #89
hnarn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a reductive argument. Are you saying that a private corporation is never responsible for its actions if they are compliant with a nations laws? Is there no limit to what you consider OK for a corporation to do within a nations borders, as long as the action is sanctioned by the government? Do all corporations have literally zero responsibility to uphold any kind of moral that isn’t enforced in local law?

YPG is terrorist organization according to Turkey and many relevant countries and even US officials don't deny its connections with PKK. They maybe freedom fighters for Biden but it is not seen that way in middle east. Especially to whom lost their kids in car bombs.

I didn't mention YPG and neither did the comment I replied to, which is why I posed a general question.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by alienalp »

cblconfederate wrote: post #80

Topic being overrun by expat turks who are Erdogan apologizers. Not the first, not the last, but thankfully the truth is not subject to upvotes

Actually being exposed to western media and attitude what makes Turkish immigrant pro-gov. Simply you are taking sides of terrorists from the point of a Turk. Thankfully truth is not subject to you.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by waheoo »

cblconfederate wrote: post #87
egeozcan wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Turkish immigrant in Germany, I really find the word "expat" irritating. Why should I make it explicitly clear that my immigration happened on my own terms? Apart from that, the sheer amount of Turkish immigrants who left the country in the last decade (including me) are not Erdoğan supporters. However, many of us refrain from heavy criticism as we occasionally go to Turkey to visit our relatives and we don't wa…

> many of us refrain from heavy criticism If the people who can speak up don't speak up then how is change ever to be expected? This is btw not what usually happens in such situations (immigrants fleeing authoritarianism are generally vocal against it)

An American making statements about standing up and speaking out against oppression and free speech is fucking laughable these days.

You're all stuck in a bubble and can't even see that your entire tech industry is pulling a fast one over liberty and democracy.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by mclightning »

cblconfederate wrote: post #80

Topic being overrun by expat turks who are Erdogan apologizers. Not the first, not the last, but thankfully the truth is not subject to upvotes

This shallow understanding of Turkish politics, is gonna come to impact western influence in middle east adversely very soon. More so European interests in short term, and US influence globally on the long run.

I have been reading comments similar to yours. Your view is nothing but naive / pure romanticism. There is a large amount of us (Turks of all opinions), just reading silently. Yet you are confident enough to straw-man whole Turkish side of the story into your shallow view.

This is very common. Turkey has a bad PR, and it's been useful to a certain extent for the West. But there is a point where unrealistic bad PR, causes ignorance like seen above. This is a divide between West and Turkey.

If this is an orchestrated divide. I don't mind West being so ignorant of Turkey.

“Never Interrupt Your Enemy When He Is Making A Mistake” Sun Tzu

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by atomicson »

Facebook is like a frog in a well. Facebook doesn't have enough deep knowledge about customs and political situations in a country. They just want to make revenue. They don't care who is right or wrong. They create chaos in the name of free speech. Facebook is the dumbest company. They have to find out what's happening and make a deep investigation about a report from a user. Mark should take a deep study of information paradox. Free speech is not a simple thing. It needs regulation so the bad guys out there not abuse it's power.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by ArkanExplorer »

egeozcan wrote: post #90
cblconfederate wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many of us refrain from heavy criticism If the people who can speak up don't speak up then how is change ever to be expected? This is btw not what usually happens in such situations (immigrants fleeing authoritarianism are generally vocal against it)

Why should I put the security of my family in jeopardy hopelessly trying to improve a country that I already gave up on? I love Germany, I'd rather work improving where I'm living, which is something I'm already trying to do, instead of getting stuck in the past.

Germans, and Europeans generally, have put the security of themselves and their families in jeopardy over thousands of years to live in the free and open societies that you are now taking for granted.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

hnarn wrote: post #64
discobot1 wrote: post #4

Facebook is following laws of countries it operates in, truly shocking

This is such a reductive argument. Are you saying that a private corporation is never responsible for its actions if they are compliant with a nations laws? Is there no limit to what you consider OK for a corporation to do within a nations borders, as long as the action is sanctioned by the government? Do all corporations have literally zero responsibility to uphold any kind of moral that isn’t enforced in local law?

I certainly would object if Facebook, like, handed over his location to a hit squad. This seems like it’s very far on the other side of the spectrum. If Facebook second-guessed an order from a duly elected government to remove purportedly terrorist content, I’d question whether there’s anything meaningful a government can make Facebook do if they don’t want to.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #98
egeozcan wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should I put the security of my family in jeopardy hopelessly trying to improve a country that I already gave up on? I love Germany, I'd rather work improving where I'm living, which is something I'm already trying to do, instead of getting stuck in the past.

Germans, and Europeans generally, have put the security of themselves and their families in jeopardy over thousands of years to live in the free and open societies that you are now taking for granted.

He's not taking Germany for granted by not being a vocal Erdogan opponent.

Also, many Turks have done the same sacrifice for open societies, but just because you sacrifice doesn't mean you get what you sacrificed for.

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