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Re: Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape

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Post by fsflover » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 4:08 PM UTC

silexia wrote: post #73

yellow_lead wrote: post #2

I've posted this a lot, but I think it's important for those who claim Uyghur camps are some sort of Western propaganda. This site documents primary source evidence of victims in Xinjiang. Testimonies from families and friends, court documents, photos, etc. Information on specific camps and seeing victims by city/village is newly available. What's happening there is horrible and consists of many human rights violatio…

What can actually be done against a dictator like Xi Jinping who has absolute power besides using military force? He doesn't care at all about the bad reputation or sanctions or anything else like that.

> He doesn't care at all about the bad reputation or sanctions

Depends on which sanctions. Imagine everyone would stop producing electronics in China...

Re: Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape

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Post by dang » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 6:10 PM UTC

Koiwai wrote: post #80

dang wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to Hacker News. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

And how is this hacker news?

HN's rules don't stop applying when you think a post is off topic.

Re: Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape

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Post by ardy42 » Thu, Feb 04, 2021, 7:55 PM UTC

Koiwai wrote: post #88

Koiwai wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've already explained, we can't agree on a mutually acceptable definition of "trustworthy reporters", so this will not happen, ever. Example: IAEA versus Iran. Yes, in a sense, You can judge us however you like, also in that sense, we're not obligated to accept your judgment.

Don't know why but I can't rely to ardy's comment so I'm gonna write here: So you agree we(you and us) can't agree on a definition of "trustworthy reporters" but we(China) should accept reporters that you deemed trustworthy, and that really sounds alright to you? seriously? >It would probably be quite unwise of you to make it, for obvious reasons. You're implying we're oppressed and you're not, if you're American(US)…

> So you agree we(you and us) can't agree on a definition of "trustworthy reporters" but we(China) should accept reporters that you deemed trustworthy, and that really sounds alright to you? seriously?

Yes, seriously. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

I mean: you're acting like you have something to hide, so I'm going to grant far more credibility to those who make claims you're hiding something. You're basically helping your opponents make their case.

> You're implying we're oppressed and you're not, if you're American(US), try saying "All Lives Matter" out loud, my point is, both of us are oppressed, just in different ways.

That's what we call a "false equivalency." Also, again, I make no claims that America or Western countries are perfect.

Re: Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape

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Post by Koiwai » Mon, Feb 08, 2021, 6:54 AM UTC

ardy42 wrote: post #93

Koiwai wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't know why but I can't rely to ardy's comment so I'm gonna write here: So you agree we(you and us) can't agree on a definition of "trustworthy reporters" but we(China) should accept reporters that you deemed trustworthy, and that really sounds alright to you? seriously? >It would probably be quite unwise of you to make it, for obvious reasons. You're implying we're oppressed and you're not, if you're American(US)…

> So you agree we(you and us) can't agree on a definition of "trustworthy reporters" but we(China) should accept reporters that you deemed trustworthy, and that really sounds alright to you? seriously? Yes, seriously. Why is that so hard for you to understand? I mean: you're acting like you have something to hide, so I'm going to grant far more credibility to those who make claims you're hiding something. You're basi…

You failed to understand that we're not a colony of the US, you simply do not have that kind of jurisdiction over China.

You claim we're hiding something and then we must accept whatever investigation you ALONE deemed appropriate, I really can't tell if you're stupid or expecting us to be that stupid or both.