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It's probably that whole "dumb" humanistic concept of choosing your own path in life rather than the government choosing it for you.
Uighur camp detainees allege systematic rape
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#83This was genuinely horrifying to read. Donation link for the Uigher Human Rights Project (mentioned in the article): https://uhrp.org/support
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Why do you ask this question? Usually, internment camps are bad. Meanwhile, there is true testimony. Also, why are Uyghurs singled out? Obviously this isn’t about poverty.
BTW, years ago western media liked Tibet separatists AKA Dalai Lama, now they found a new pet.
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Why don't you petition the PRC government to open up the area to trustworthy reporters and to cease reprisals against locals who speak to them? You claim you're Chinese, so that's your right per Article 41 of the constitution. Pretty much anyone out of Xinjiang who criticizes the government has increased credibility because of all the attempts to suppress information. If you think this group has issues, your bitching…
Based on past records, Chinese government have no reason to trust those journalists (that they are not influenced by CIA). Your point of view is that the western world represents absolute justice, and you can judge us based on your value system, this is not the case, at least from our viewpoint.
How did you come to that conclusion? That is not, in fact, any position which I have expressed.
> and you can judge us based on your value system, this is not the case, at least from our viewpoint.
Of course, and it's kinda bonkers to think that I would use someone else's value system to make my own judgements.
Also, please make the petition I suggested. I would like to find out how it goes.
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Based on past records, Chinese government have no reason to trust those journalists (that they are not influenced by CIA). Your point of view is that the western world represents absolute justice, and you can judge us based on your value system, this is not the case, at least from our viewpoint.
> Your point of view is that the western world represents absolute justice, How did you come to that conclusion? That is not, in fact, any position which I have expressed. > and you can judge us based on your value system, this is not the case, at least from our viewpoint. Of course, and it's kinda bonkers to think that I would use someone else's value system to make my own judgements. Also, please make the petition…
Example: IAEA versus Iran.
Yes, in a sense, You can judge us however you like, also in that sense, we're not obligated to accept your judgment.
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> Your point of view is that the western world represents absolute justice, How did you come to that conclusion? That is not, in fact, any position which I have expressed. > and you can judge us based on your value system, this is not the case, at least from our viewpoint. Of course, and it's kinda bonkers to think that I would use someone else's value system to make my own judgements. Also, please make the petition…
I've already explained, we can't agree on a mutually acceptable definition of "trustworthy reporters", so this will not happen, ever. Example: IAEA versus Iran. Yes, in a sense, You can judge us however you like, also in that sense, we're not obligated to accept your judgment.
You don't understand. We don't have to agree on a definition of "trustworthy reporters." You seem to be trying to convince me that I should be more skeptical of these allegations, but that's not going to happen unless reporters I consider trustworthy have sufficient access to investigate, to the point where the people you criticize don't have to be relied on. It really doesn't matter what you think of the reporters, and attaching unnecessary conditions is just a deflection and indication there's something to hide.
I agree your petition can't happen ever, but for different reasons. It would probably be quite unwise of you to make it, for obvious reasons.
> Yes, in a sense, You can judge us however you like, also in that sense, we're not obligated to accept your judgment.
You're not, but your decision reflects on you.
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> Your point of view is that the western world represents absolute justice, How did you come to that conclusion? That is not, in fact, any position which I have expressed. > and you can judge us based on your value system, this is not the case, at least from our viewpoint. Of course, and it's kinda bonkers to think that I would use someone else's value system to make my own judgements. Also, please make the petition…
I've already explained, we can't agree on a mutually acceptable definition of "trustworthy reporters", so this will not happen, ever. Example: IAEA versus Iran. Yes, in a sense, You can judge us however you like, also in that sense, we're not obligated to accept your judgment.
So you agree we(you and us) can't agree on a definition of "trustworthy reporters" but we(China) should accept reporters that you deemed trustworthy, and that really sounds alright to you? seriously?
>It would probably be quite unwise of you to make it, for obvious reasons.
You're implying we're oppressed and you're not, if you're American(US), try saying "All Lives Matter" out loud, my point is, both of us are oppressed, just in different ways.
And no, I don't WANT to make a petition to allow unsanctioned western reporters to come here.
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#89Germany is pathetic and spineless for letting the EU-China deal go through. Never again never meant shit, it was just virtue signaling, a lie, a fraud. Because it is happening again and Germany is using the same old spineless appeasement tactic that was taken with Nazi Germany. If you are a German citizen you really need to ask yourself how you can change your voting behaviour to ensure that the people who made the E…
Also Germany is not the whole EU, but yes Germany could have stopped this. Something only _Germany_ does is the gas pipe to Russia. Germany buys GAS from Russia with more than 20 nuclear reactors worth from the Mafia State.
On a positive side US is back to path for democracy. Go EU, go US!
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#90Germany is pathetic and spineless for letting the EU-China deal go through. Never again never meant shit, it was just virtue signaling, a lie, a fraud. Because it is happening again and Germany is using the same old spineless appeasement tactic that was taken with Nazi Germany. If you are a German citizen you really need to ask yourself how you can change your voting behaviour to ensure that the people who made the E…
Trading stop with China would mean the US Phase 1 deal closing, which is far more advantageous to China than the EU deal. Also Germany is not the whole EU, but yes Germany could have stopped this. Something only _Germany_ does is the gas pipe to Russia. Germany buys GAS from Russia with more than 20 nuclear reactors worth from the Mafia State. On a positive side US is back to path for democracy. Go EU, go US!
And the German Nord Stream 2 is entirely unconscionable, and the authoritarianism of Russia is already spreading westwards and will be at Germany's borders sooner rather than later if Germany does not take a harder stance against it.