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Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by tootie »

myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

I'm curious what the popular sentiment is about the military vs the civilian government of the last few years. Suu Kyi was seen as a Mandela figure in the Western media for a long time, but has since taken a ton of heat over her handling of the Rohingya genocide. I pretty much only know what I've read in the news.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

#92

Post by adventured »

tomp wrote: post #85
baybal2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very much a description of the fiasco US encountered in Iraq. The battle was a total triumph, but aftermath a tragedy, and mainly so for mind boggling incompetence of post-war Washington policy effectively instigating a civil war, then backing one side in it, then another, and then showing a middle finger to both, and walking away. All of this could've been avoided under different leadership.

> All of this could've been avoided under different leadership. What do you mean? The war in Iraq has outlasted 3 US presidents, so clearly "different leadership" just doesn't work in practice. IMO the US should completely change the modus operandi. "Invade & install new regime & call it democratic & steal oil" just isn't a good proposition for the local population. Unless the US can improve the proposition (to match…

What oil did the US steal from Iraq?

I've been asking that question for about 15 years now, when people casually toss such empty claims out there. I've never once received a facts-based answer (for obvious reasons).

Iraq was about Russia, not oil. The same thing Syria and Libya are about. Trying to limit or strip Russian influence out of the Middle East. It's two major powers going at eachother via proxy, the same thing that has been going on all around the world between the US and Russia since WW2. Vietnam also wasn't about oil. Afghanistan also wasn't about oil.

The US lost over a trillion dollars in Iraq trying to keep the two major factions from killing eachother. There is no amount of oil that could ever come out of Iraq for the US that will make up for that.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

#93

Post by hitekker »

bosswipe wrote: post #54
myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. This makes no sense except maybe as Chinese propaganda. Burma hasn't been under any western influence since the military took over in 1962.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932015_Myanmar_po... is one of several articles demonstrating how the West was rebuilding its influence in Burma up until recently.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by jjk166 »

tomp wrote: post #85
baybal2 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is very much a description of the fiasco US encountered in Iraq. The battle was a total triumph, but aftermath a tragedy, and mainly so for mind boggling incompetence of post-war Washington policy effectively instigating a civil war, then backing one side in it, then another, and then showing a middle finger to both, and walking away. All of this could've been avoided under different leadership.

> All of this could've been avoided under different leadership. What do you mean? The war in Iraq has outlasted 3 US presidents, so clearly "different leadership" just doesn't work in practice. IMO the US should completely change the modus operandi. "Invade & install new regime & call it democratic & steal oil" just isn't a good proposition for the local population. Unless the US can improve the proposition (to match…

Almost the entirety of the Iraq war as well as all major decisions which affected the outcome were under the Bush administration. In 2008, the Bush administration agreed to withdraw all US troops from Iraq, and the Obama administration completed it. While US forces have returned to Iraq repeatedly since then to deal with various issues such as ISIS which are intimately linked to the mishandling of the Iraq war, there have been a number of other developments in the middle east such as the arab spring and the Saudi-Iranian cold war which are much more proximate to these separate conflicts.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by User23 »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #72
baybal2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The predominant part of HN demographic are young military age men. In case of any real conflict US will get dragged in, you will all be drafted, want you or not. Becoming a soldier after being a freewheeling young man with 6 digit income, and effectively loosing everything you put into your career, business, education, relationship with your woman is not a pleasant thing. But think, sooner or later US will be dragged…

The dirty secret is that the US will probably lose either way. Instead of absolute dollar amounts, if you compare China's military purchasing power with the US, adjusting for different labor costs and the fact that they don't include things like R&D in their military budget, then China is much closer to US spending than it appears. Having a supply line to Asia versus China fighting close to home, that is a recipe for…

Not to mention the US's idiotic policy of allowing Chinese nationals to work in classified defense industries. Not only is China benefitting from their own massive defense spending, they are benefiting from a significant chunk of the USA's[1]. Presumably there are many more instances where this occurs that have not been caught.

[1] https://www.csis.org/programs/technology-policy-program/surv...

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by bosswipe »

hitekker wrote: post #93
bosswipe wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Myanmar is perhaps the first country the modern-West has totally lost from the grasp of its sphere of influence. This makes no sense except maybe as Chinese propaganda. Burma hasn't been under any western influence since the military took over in 1962.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932015_Myanmar_po... is one of several articles demonstrating how the West was rebuilding its influence in Burma up until recently.

Got it. So locking up political opponents and suppressing democracy is the glorious Chinese influence we all get to look forward to.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by sorokod »

baybal2 wrote: post #31
myanmarthrow wrote: post #10

Posting this throwaway because I don’t want my residency canceled. That should give you a hint that I might know way more than the armchair experts. Any article that talks about Myanmar and doesn’t include the word “China” all over it, is probably propaganda of some sort. I won’t go more into this and I will allow people to do their homework and make up their own minds about the good and the bad of all of it, but Mya…

> Sanctions won’t work. They will just punish businesses that were stupid enough to work with Americans and Europeans. At the end of the day, Myanmar is going to come out of this period looking more like China than like the British colony it was before — guess what that’s meant to prepare us for, in terms of the way the world looks by the end of this century? Sanctions won’t work, but tanks would. The entirety of Mya…

Can you explain what a "heavy marine brigade" is? It vaguely sounds like a technical term, but I am not able to map it to a concrete unit type.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by jcranmer »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #72
baybal2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The predominant part of HN demographic are young military age men. In case of any real conflict US will get dragged in, you will all be drafted, want you or not. Becoming a soldier after being a freewheeling young man with 6 digit income, and effectively loosing everything you put into your career, business, education, relationship with your woman is not a pleasant thing. But think, sooner or later US will be dragged…

The dirty secret is that the US will probably lose either way. Instead of absolute dollar amounts, if you compare China's military purchasing power with the US, adjusting for different labor costs and the fact that they don't include things like R&D in their military budget, then China is much closer to US spending than it appears. Having a supply line to Asia versus China fighting close to home, that is a recipe for…

> Having a supply line to Asia versus China fighting close to home, that is a recipe for disaster.

It's worth remembering that World War II was a conflict where one side was fighting on a supply line 4,000 miles long, 3,000 by sea, and the other side was fighting a hundred miles past its own borders. The supply problems in the conflict were mostly concentrated in the latter country.

I can't speak to the quality of the Chinese military, but the US military is regarded as having perhaps the single most effective military logistics in world history.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by TeMPOraL »

sandworm101 wrote: post #86
Fordec wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the recent Armenia Azerbaijan crisis was anything to go by, in mountainous terrain a drone/artillery combination is quite effective but a relatively new combat style on the scene.

>> in mountainous terrain In mountainous terrain with few trees . Drones, and air power generally, become less effective over a dense canopy. The dry bare mountains of Afghanistan was a paradise for drones. Southeast Asia's jungles and river networks won't be.

US has a solution for this problem neatly packaged in barrels of all colors of the rainbow.

Re: Internet disrupted in Myanmar amid military coup

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Post by Scheherazade »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #72
baybal2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The predominant part of HN demographic are young military age men. In case of any real conflict US will get dragged in, you will all be drafted, want you or not. Becoming a soldier after being a freewheeling young man with 6 digit income, and effectively loosing everything you put into your career, business, education, relationship with your woman is not a pleasant thing. But think, sooner or later US will be dragged…

The dirty secret is that the US will probably lose either way. Instead of absolute dollar amounts, if you compare China's military purchasing power with the US, adjusting for different labor costs and the fact that they don't include things like R&D in their military budget, then China is much closer to US spending than it appears. Having a supply line to Asia versus China fighting close to home, that is a recipe for…

Of course, even if average productivity per capita in China is half that of America, the total output will be twice as much. No one serious in Washington (or Moscow or Brussels or Beijing, etc.) believes America could win a war on China's home turf even if nukes are untouched. Same with India to a lesser extent.

It's not even a secret at all to at least millions of folks across the world. It's only the strange American media and brainwashing system that presents the idea that China can be threatened with force.

In that sense it's highly dubious Beijing is directly involved with Myanmar's current regime change. They can achieve their objectives anyways without getting their hands dirty. Of course there may be intermediaries involved that straddle both camps so it's not clear cut either.

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