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RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Indeed. This just plays into their hands.

Not necessarily. Remember what happened when Digg tried to ban anyone from posting the 09F9 number because it was a secret key to some DVD thing? The users revolted so hard that the people managing the site gave up and let it stand. Then again... who remembers Digg?

> Then again... who remembers Digg?

I do. It was pretty good, then they destroyed it, de facto paving the way for Reddit's success.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Companies actually lobby the EU, I guess the same is true for the US, to allow "forward scanning". Meaning they would like to proactively try to purge the net of illegal content. Mozilla is part of this alliance. I am going to leave Github, since the tech giants + Mozilla should not be trusted. https://edima-eu.org/

Mozilla jumped the shark when they relented to supporting EME and packaging Widevine and OpenH264 with an otherwise-FOSS product. It's not as though a fork couldn't have added those. And despite adding those the user share of Firefox continues to decline.

How Mozilla has changed in the last years hurts the most. I do think the leadership just wants to profit from the name and it will at one point cease to exists.

It has done much for the net though, it should not be forgotten.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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> This request wasn't well-received by developers, many of whom retaliated by posting copies of the code. Yesterday, things went from bad to worse when a user with the name 'F * T RIAA' uploaded three MP3s of the songs the RIAA mentioned in its takedown notice RIAA couldn't care less. As far as I understand, they practically are just a team of lawyers whose job is to attack whoever they can reach, take whatever they…

Making developers afraid to work on youtube-dl is a much more powerful move than taking down a few songs that were already available for free on YouTube.

If developers are afraid, they will be tempted to program a solution for censorship-resistant hosting of open source software that additionally allows to contribute anonymously (not just pseudonymously).

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Not necessarily. Remember what happened when Digg tried to ban anyone from posting the 09F9 number because it was a secret key to some DVD thing? The users revolted so hard that the people managing the site gave up and let it stand. Then again... who remembers Digg?

You really think Github will giveup respecting DMCA and copyright infringement? Your example is nice, but it's about the copyright stand of a number... it's much more grey than respecting an actual DMCA notice and being aware of actual copyrighted content on your platform. I don't think so... instead what I expect would most probably happen is that they automate it even more, which will suck even more. We got enough…

Of course Microsoft (the company behind Github) will not give up respecting DMCA and copyright infringement.

The question rather is: how much will developers continue to respect Microsoft?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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This didn't backfire for the RIAA, it backfired for GitHub , who are absolutely not the bad guys in this. They have expressed more support for the project than they would have needed to and are bound to laws.

Github's failure is one of principles. That the youtube-dl repository is actually a violation is tenuous at best. Should they actually care about the state of things they would have resisted, but they did not.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Not necessarily. If this situation goes viral and leads to an overall increase in piracy, someone at RIAA will have to answer for it.

As long as they act they will be fine. Github will be more at risk, since they are legally responsible for content hosted on their site. They have some protections under the DMCA, but only if they respond to takedown requests in a timely manner. And those takedown requests take time and effort to process. The RIAA and other copyright holder representatives have automated submitting a DMCA takedown request process age…

microsoft is a tad bigger than the riaa.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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> This request wasn't well-received by developers, many of whom retaliated by posting copies of the code. Yesterday, things went from bad to worse when a user with the name 'F * T RIAA' uploaded three MP3s of the songs the RIAA mentioned in its takedown notice RIAA couldn't care less. As far as I understand, they practically are just a team of lawyers whose job is to attack whoever they can reach, take whatever they…

Making developers afraid to work on youtube-dl is a much more powerful move than taking down a few songs that were already available for free on YouTube.

I don't think this inspired fear in any relevant developers. If anything there are probably more developers willing to work on it now.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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The problem is that git is not feature complete to replace github. In hindsight I wish it had gone the Fossil route: integrate issue management in the distributed repo. If issues, wiki and code review were integrated in git proper it would be trivial to change host on a dime. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way (yet?).

I'm not so convinced. Seeing as I use a number of issue trackers and code review systems daily and most of them are trash. I'm very happy for git to serve as a compatible core and I can "easily" move between systems as they improve. Basically I am glad that git does source control well. And I prefer that there is a marketplace of issue trackers, patch management and CI software layered on top. Until we have a clear e…

I see where you're coming from, but that does create a big barrier to decentralization. The youtube-dl source code is safe and sound but as far as I know all the issues, discussions, unmerged PRs and more are lost forever.

I suppose the ideal would be if git somehow provided a low level API that could be used to build these types of solution and then everybody would be free to build their own solution on top of it.

Much easier said than done, of course.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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This makes it necessary to sync another service with Github for software projects. Once Github, now a unit of Microsoft, gets takedowns going, legit software projects will be taken down through random errors.

Systems which rely on Github in production, such as Rust's "cargo", now need to be using multiple sources and checking hashes.

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