Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

Post by Stierlitz » Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 11:49 PM UTC

Post by Stierlitz » Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 12:04 AM UTC

dx87 wrote: post #43

ineedasername wrote: post #40

I'm torn when it comes to the utility of making public indictments of this sort when the truth is there will never be any arrest or trial. Making them public lets Russia know we're aware of their actions, which in turn may drive them to greater efforts to make these actions harder to detect and therefore harder to defend against. I also wonder if making these public, detrimental and unnecessary, is just a cynical plo…

It could also just be done as a thinly veiled threat to discourage people from working there. Even if nobody is arrested, the statement is basically saying "it doesn't matter where you are, or how secretive your work is, we can find you". I can imagine spouses and family would suggest they start looking for a different job after seeing the announcment.

Post by Stierlitz » Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 12:13 AM UTC

cameldrv wrote: post #90

FDSGSG wrote: post #79

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The real issue with these indictments is that they put US operators in a tough position. These are military hackers following lawful orders. We are not dealing with criminal acts, but diplomatic issues. Foreign powers are more than capable of identifying individual US operators, but so far they've opted to not participate in this game. Here's an op-ed on the subject by an ex-NSA hacker https://www.thedailybeast.com/d…

Then the foreign powers should declare war and they'll be subject to the Geneva convention. Covert action that is illegal in the target country has always made operatives subject to the local laws. If you want to be treated like a soldier, wear a uniform and fight in a declared war. Otherwise you're subject to the rules for spies.

Post by dredmorbius » Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 12:41 AM UTC

anonAndOn wrote: post #72

dredmorbius wrote: post #69

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Also assets, interests, and possibly more.

It's basically, "good luck taking the wife & kids on holiday outside of Russia!"

Post by monocasa » Tue, Oct 20, 2020, 2:05 AM UTC

ChrisLomont wrote: post #91

monocasa wrote: post #30

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I'm claiming that announcing the indictments like this rather than keeping them secret as would be standard under such situations heavily impedes the ability to catch or try these people because they now know for sure never to go to a country that has an extradition treaty with the US. When the announcement itself heavily impedes catching and trying the targets of the investigation, the announcement itself is the end…

>When the announcement itself heavily impedes So you're claiming if this was kept secret the odds of catching the person would increase dramatically? What stats do you base this on? >as would be standard under such situations Where is this standard? There are plenty of indictments issued all the time followed by arrests. What evidence do you have that unsealed indictments has a higher arrest rate?