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Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Re: Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Post by phjesusthatguy3 »

MauranKilom wrote: post #10
Isamu wrote: post #2

Interesting details: > These GRU hackers and their co-conspirators engaged in computer intrusions and attacks intended to support Russian government efforts to undermine, retaliate against, or otherwise destabilize: (1) Ukraine; (2) Georgia; (3) elections in France; (4) efforts to hold Russia accountable for its use of a weapons-grade nerve agent, Novichok, on foreign soil; and (5) the 2018 PyeongChang Winter Olympic…

Is this clear from the evidence or are these the allegations against them?

This is a press release from the department of justice. There are two attachments at the end.

Re: Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Post by factsaresacred »

pjc50 wrote: post #5

Keeping this to post under all those comments saying there was nothing to "Russiagate".

"Russiagate" is commonly used to refer to the accusation that Trump colluded with the Russian state to determine the outcome of the 2016 election. The Special Counsel investigation found no evidence of collusion.

Or is everything involving Russia now its own "Russiagate"?

Re: Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Post by Pet_Ant »

pjc50 wrote: post #5

Keeping this to post under all those comments saying there was nothing to "Russiagate".

> there was nothing to "Russiagate".

...because this is a SOP for global super powers. I don't think that the Russians do anything that the Americans don't do better and more secretly.

SOP= Standard Operating Procedure

Re: Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Post by ChrisLomont »

monocasa wrote: post #9
pjc50 wrote: post #5

Keeping this to post under all those comments saying there was nothing to "Russiagate".

A press release for indictments for people you're never going to arrest or have a trial for is nothing more than propaganda. If they actually cared about catching these people, they'd keep the indictments secret so that they might go to a country that has an extradition treaty with the US.

Are you claiming we have never caught or tried such a person?

Re: Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Post by reaperducer »

MauranKilom wrote: post #10
Isamu wrote: post #2

Interesting details: > These GRU hackers and their co-conspirators engaged in computer intrusions and attacks intended to support Russian government efforts to undermine, retaliate against, or otherwise destabilize: (1) Ukraine; (2) Georgia; (3) elections in France; (4) efforts to hold Russia accountable for its use of a weapons-grade nerve agent, Novichok, on foreign soil; and (5) the 2018 PyeongChang Winter Olympic…

Is this clear from the evidence or are these the allegations against them?

Is this clear from the evidence or are these the allegations against them?

The evidence is presented at the trial, not in the initial press release announcing there has been an indictment.

One would expect that there is clear evidence, or there wouldn't be an indictment. You can't win a court case without evidence.

Re: Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Post by ciarannolan »

MauranKilom wrote: post #10
Isamu wrote: post #2

Interesting details: > These GRU hackers and their co-conspirators engaged in computer intrusions and attacks intended to support Russian government efforts to undermine, retaliate against, or otherwise destabilize: (1) Ukraine; (2) Georgia; (3) elections in France; (4) efforts to hold Russia accountable for its use of a weapons-grade nerve agent, Novichok, on foreign soil; and (5) the 2018 PyeongChang Winter Olympic…

Is this clear from the evidence or are these the allegations against them?

It's a long PDF [0], but these indictments are usually very detailed.

[0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1328521/downl...

Re: Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Post by reaperducer »

monocasa wrote: post #9
pjc50 wrote: post #5

Keeping this to post under all those comments saying there was nothing to "Russiagate".

A press release for indictments for people you're never going to arrest or have a trial for is nothing more than propaganda. If they actually cared about catching these people, they'd keep the indictments secret so that they might go to a country that has an extradition treaty with the US.

A press release for indictments for people you're never going to arrest or have a trial for is nothing more than propaganda.

They can have the trial without arrests. It happens all the time.

If convicted, then they are sanctioned, or face some other externally-viable penalty. Often through restricting their ability to travel to allied countries and use the banking systems outside their home country.

Re: Six GRU Officers Charged in Connection with Worldwide Deployment of Malware

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Post by monocasa »

ChrisLomont wrote: post #25
monocasa wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A press release for indictments for people you're never going to arrest or have a trial for is nothing more than propaganda. If they actually cared about catching these people, they'd keep the indictments secret so that they might go to a country that has an extradition treaty with the US.

Are you claiming we have never caught or tried such a person?

I'm claiming that announcing the indictments like this rather than keeping them secret as would be standard under such situations heavily impedes the ability to catch or try these people because they now know for sure never to go to a country that has an extradition treaty with the US.

When the announcement itself heavily impedes catching and trying the targets of the investigation, the announcement itself is the end goal.

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