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Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by giancarlostoro »

andrewnicolalde wrote: post #29
DenseComet wrote: post #22

It's unfortunate that they bought and destroyed Keybase [1] in a bid to improve their security and even still there seems to be no improvement. Guess even the best folks can't make an impact if company culture prevents it. [1] https://github.com/keybase/client/graphs/commit-activity

Same, they were my preferred platform for secure messaging, which is bizarre when you think about the fact that this wasn't even their original purpose. I guess this was indicative of the general lack of a single defined direction the product was going in near the time of the Zoom acquisition. What a shame. Hopefully someone makes something similar.

What killed me was I was ready to pay for any features like storage. They just never bothered. I wish they hadnt bought it out and instead just hired their team as consultants... This is a darn shame.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by lboc »

arkadiyt wrote: post #30
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #5

I love how when you go to enter a Zoom meeting, they bury the no-install, run-in-browser link in small type in a footer. And then, if you manage to see the link and use the browser, they withhold "Gallery View", forcing you to deal with the extremely annoying "Active Speaker View".

> they bury the no-install, run-in-browser link I wrote a browser extension that will transparently redirect all zoom links to user their web client: https://github.com/arkadiyt/zoom-redirector

Thank you.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by CarbyAu »

saagarjha wrote: post #90
CarbyAu wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love Jitsi and have a server VM at home for my personal use. But while it can share a desktop view I didn't think it allowed control?!? Man, this could be a family support game changer... Edit: requires Electron app it seems. https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet-electron/releases Was on HN, some comments suggest the Electron app bundles Chromium.(Not sure if all Electron apps do this, I know nothing about Electron..…

All Electron apps are Chromium-based.

Sorry, just figured that out for myself and edited my parent comment again. Thanks!

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by hddherman »

andrewnicolalde wrote: post #31
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #5

I love how when you go to enter a Zoom meeting, they bury the no-install, run-in-browser link in small type in a footer. And then, if you manage to see the link and use the browser, they withhold "Gallery View", forcing you to deal with the extremely annoying "Active Speaker View".

> I love how when you go to enter a Zoom meeting, they bury the no-install, run-in-browser link in small type in a footer. I wasn't even aware that was possible until now.

In my experience, that link only appears after you actively deny the opening of an external application (xdg-open alerts pop up), after 3 tries it will _finally_ appear. Quite infuriating.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by dheera »

arkadiyt wrote: post #30
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #5

I love how when you go to enter a Zoom meeting, they bury the no-install, run-in-browser link in small type in a footer. And then, if you manage to see the link and use the browser, they withhold "Gallery View", forcing you to deal with the extremely annoying "Active Speaker View".

> they bury the no-install, run-in-browser link I wrote a browser extension that will transparently redirect all zoom links to user their web client: https://github.com/arkadiyt/zoom-redirector

I thought they removed the in-browser link? Does your extension still work?

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by dheera »

irjustin wrote: post #39

I argue Zoom does understand GDPR and the ePrivacy Directive from a legal perspective. The specific citation about the length of a cookie is a recommendation and not a law[0]. The key word is 'should'. I'm not a lawyer nor claim the ability to interpret GDPR legally, but I have seen companies that actively worked to edge case GDPR to their advantage (I was part of one). We would have lawyers and other 'GDPR experts'…

I imagine GDPR doesn't apply to Zoom, as a non-EU company. Much like China bans what it doesn't want, the onus is on the EU to set up a GFW of their own and ban Zoom (and other GDPR-non-compliant foreign websites) if they disagree with it.

Otherwise, Zoom only needs to obey the laws of USA and wherever else they have offices.

Disclaimer: IANAL

Also: I'm not arguing for Zoom's sketchy practices but just saying that GDPR might be the wrong card here. The EU isn't the world police.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by est »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #63
asciident wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is an american company by the way. Its headquarters is in silicon valley. Its founder, chairman, and CEO is an american citizen. It has employees in California and China, like nearly all tech companies.

> Zoom is an american company Correct. But it has significant dev in China. Corporately, it’s American. But when describing its engineering decisions, it’s fair to call it principally Chinese.

By your logic apparently Boeing is an Indian company.

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by juped »

andrewnicolalde wrote: post #29
DenseComet wrote: post #22

It's unfortunate that they bought and destroyed Keybase [1] in a bid to improve their security and even still there seems to be no improvement. Guess even the best folks can't make an impact if company culture prevents it. [1] https://github.com/keybase/client/graphs/commit-activity

Same, they were my preferred platform for secure messaging, which is bizarre when you think about the fact that this wasn't even their original purpose. I guess this was indicative of the general lack of a single defined direction the product was going in near the time of the Zoom acquisition. What a shame. Hopefully someone makes something similar.

What was the draw of Keybase? I wasn't interested when it was a "post all your website usernames here, but with crypto somehow" site, and by the time I looked in on it later, it was an unreadable startup homepage and had some kind of cryptocurrency scam attached to it. If it had a good messaging featureset that should be cloned, former Keybase users should speak up!

Re: Zoom still don't understand GDPR

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Post by msie »

kelnos wrote: post #83
p1necone wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Browsers do generally have a limit on simultaneous outgoing connections per domain[1] - it could be related to that. (This is also why e.g. TFS breaks down when you open too many tabs). [1] https://docs.pushtechnology.com/cloud/latest/manual/html/des...

I doubt that has anything to do with it. Zoom almost certainly handles composing the image for gallery view server-side; you're not maintaining a separate connection for each participant.

I thought i read somewhere that they don’t, which is what makes them more performant.
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